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So, nothing will change except now every fast food place in California will bake its own bread. Look out for McDonald's fresh bread, west coasters.

LinuxBender 3y ago
The exemption only applies to businesses that specifically only make bread and nothing else. Even bagels disqualify the exemption. It was found that the exemption will only apply to Panera, giving them an advantage over everyone else having to pay $20/hr whereas Panera will continue paying $11.70/hr. Additional discussion on Breaking Points [1]. [1] - https://youtu.be/2YZ43uU4Z8s?&t=268 https://youtu.be/2YZ43uU4Z8s?&t=268
- x86x87 3y ago
  Why would anyone take a job at 11.70/hr when one at 20$/hour is available? This makes zero sense.
  - noncoml 3y ago
    Right. I don’t understand why people keep choosing to be poor and in need /s Are we living in our own little bubble much?
    - ipaddr 3y ago
      The lowest paying jobs in expensive cities are hard to fill because other jobs exist. If all jobs are filled then people the best / average / slightly below average will have a choice while the worst won't.
  - ars 3y ago
    Because the $20/hour price is artificial, so there aren't enough of them. If the price were not artificial it would balance until the number of jobs = number of seekers. But it won't, instead it becomes a lottery of sorts. It also means far less job security for anyone who has such a job, because there are so many seekers employers will hold all the power, and will fire people easily. So it's also a high-stress job, but presumably worth it for that pay. Which also answers your question: People will take lower paying jobs in order to have a bit more flexibility to request time off, or to make mistakes without fear.
    - x86x87 3y ago
      normally I would agree with you, but the 20$/hr is required across the board for all fast food workers, correct? so, it's not like you get to choose how much you pay a worker (you may choose to have less workers for example but you cannot pay less than 20).
      - ars 3y ago
        Are there no other jobs in California that pay less? If this is a global floor in California, it's going to lead to some interesting things. It will have the effect of flattening out the income of a huge chunk of society. A huge number of people in California will all have identical income. It will be cheaper to make things across the border and import them. So the kinds of jobs needed will change. California will lose local jobs but gain jobs having to do with coordination and importation.
  - xboxnolifes 3y ago
    Positions aren't infinite. Even if you want the $20/hr job, so do a lot of other people.
- sparky_z 3y ago
  Huh? That doesn't sound correct, and isn't supported by the video you linked. Panera doesn't just make bread. They have a huge menu that includes bagels, pasta dishes, etc.
- ahallock 3y ago
  That is completely corrupt. The government is picking winners and losers. What about sub shops that bake their own rolls?
  - not-my-account 3y ago
    Well, at the very least we will see employees leaving Panera in droves and I'd bet they'd be forced to increase their wages to just keep the doors open.
    - kQq9oHeAz6wLLS 3y ago
      Not when other places are closing because they're forced to raise prices to still make a profit while paying higher wages, meaning less customers.
- bribroder 3y ago
  > The exemption only applies to businesses that specifically only make bread and nothing else. Even bagels disqualify the exemption This is not accurate. The exemption applies to businesses that sell bread starting before September 2023. The exemption excludes restaurants that sell bagels and/or croissants but who don't sell bread. https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/pay-a-higher-minimum-wage-unless-youre-friends-with-governor-newsom/ https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/pay-a-higher-minimum-w...
  - unyttigfjelltol 3y ago
    So if I start a bakery in 2024 I am disadvantaged? What if Panera starts a new location in 2024? A new counter at an existing location? I say with the sincerest sadness that every welfare scheme generates boundary problems like this. But this law comes across as particularly capricious.
- RandallBrown 3y ago
  I'm not sure that's correct. > An establishment that on September 1, 2022, operates a bakery that produces for sale on the establishment’s premises bread as defined under Part 136 of Subchapter B of Chapter I of Title 21 of the Code of Federal Regulations shall not be considered a fast food restaurant, so long as it continues to operate such a bakery. This exemption applies only where the establishment produces for sale bread as a stand-alone menu item, and does not apply if the bread is available for sale solely as part of another menu item. Jimmy John's would also be exempt by this wording since they sell their old bread (or at least I think they do). I guess Subway wouldn't since I don't think you can buy just bread from them.
  - ethbr1 3y ago
    Side note, Jimmy John's day old bread fed me through college. If you're poor and there's a JJ's nearby, hard to get better. Just walk up to the counter and ask if they have day old bread. I think you might have to pay in cash? Vaguely remember it being so cheap that card didn't make sense.
Aurornis 3y ago
The carveout only applies to companies that met the criteria prior to a certain date. They really worked hard to close loopholes that would have allowed any other company to use it.
mysterydip 3y ago
Try the new McBread today!

LinuxBender 3y ago

The exemption only applies to businesses that specifically only make bread and nothing else. Even bagels disqualify the exemption. It was found that the exemption will only apply to Panera, giving them an advantage over everyone else having to pay $20/hr whereas Panera will continue paying $11.70/hr. Additional discussion on Breaking Points [1]. [1] - https://youtu.be/2YZ43uU4Z8s?&t=268 https://youtu.be/2YZ43uU4Z8s?&t=268

x86x87 3y ago
Why would anyone take a job at 11.70/hr when one at 20$/hour is available? This makes zero sense.
- noncoml 3y ago
  Right. I don’t understand why people keep choosing to be poor and in need /s Are we living in our own little bubble much?
  - ipaddr 3y ago
    The lowest paying jobs in expensive cities are hard to fill because other jobs exist. If all jobs are filled then people the best / average / slightly below average will have a choice while the worst won't.
- ars 3y ago
  Because the $20/hour price is artificial, so there aren't enough of them. If the price were not artificial it would balance until the number of jobs = number of seekers. But it won't, instead it becomes a lottery of sorts. It also means far less job security for anyone who has such a job, because there are so many seekers employers will hold all the power, and will fire people easily. So it's also a high-stress job, but presumably worth it for that pay. Which also answers your question: People will take lower paying jobs in order to have a bit more flexibility to request time off, or to make mistakes without fear.
  - x86x87 3y ago
    normally I would agree with you, but the 20$/hr is required across the board for all fast food workers, correct? so, it's not like you get to choose how much you pay a worker (you may choose to have less workers for example but you cannot pay less than 20).
    - ars 3y ago
      Are there no other jobs in California that pay less? If this is a global floor in California, it's going to lead to some interesting things. It will have the effect of flattening out the income of a huge chunk of society. A huge number of people in California will all have identical income. It will be cheaper to make things across the border and import them. So the kinds of jobs needed will change. California will lose local jobs but gain jobs having to do with coordination and importation.
- xboxnolifes 3y ago
  Positions aren't infinite. Even if you want the $20/hr job, so do a lot of other people.
sparky_z 3y ago
Huh? That doesn't sound correct, and isn't supported by the video you linked. Panera doesn't just make bread. They have a huge menu that includes bagels, pasta dishes, etc.
ahallock 3y ago
That is completely corrupt. The government is picking winners and losers. What about sub shops that bake their own rolls?
- not-my-account 3y ago
  Well, at the very least we will see employees leaving Panera in droves and I'd bet they'd be forced to increase their wages to just keep the doors open.
  - kQq9oHeAz6wLLS 3y ago
    Not when other places are closing because they're forced to raise prices to still make a profit while paying higher wages, meaning less customers.
bribroder 3y ago
> The exemption only applies to businesses that specifically only make bread and nothing else. Even bagels disqualify the exemption This is not accurate. The exemption applies to businesses that sell bread starting before September 2023. The exemption excludes restaurants that sell bagels and/or croissants but who don't sell bread. https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/pay-a-higher-minimum-wage-unless-youre-friends-with-governor-newsom/ https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/pay-a-higher-minimum-w...
- unyttigfjelltol 3y ago
  So if I start a bakery in 2024 I am disadvantaged? What if Panera starts a new location in 2024? A new counter at an existing location? I say with the sincerest sadness that every welfare scheme generates boundary problems like this. But this law comes across as particularly capricious.
RandallBrown 3y ago
I'm not sure that's correct. > An establishment that on September 1, 2022, operates a bakery that produces for sale on the establishment’s premises bread as defined under Part 136 of Subchapter B of Chapter I of Title 21 of the Code of Federal Regulations shall not be considered a fast food restaurant, so long as it continues to operate such a bakery. This exemption applies only where the establishment produces for sale bread as a stand-alone menu item, and does not apply if the bread is available for sale solely as part of another menu item. Jimmy John's would also be exempt by this wording since they sell their old bread (or at least I think they do). I guess Subway wouldn't since I don't think you can buy just bread from them.
- ethbr1 3y ago
  Side note, Jimmy John's day old bread fed me through college. If you're poor and there's a JJ's nearby, hard to get better. Just walk up to the counter and ask if they have day old bread. I think you might have to pay in cash? Vaguely remember it being so cheap that card didn't make sense.

Aurornis 3y ago

The carveout only applies to companies that met the criteria prior to a certain date. They really worked hard to close loopholes that would have allowed any other company to use it.

mysterydip 3y ago

Try the new McBread today!