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Careful, that was literally the exact same selling point of Electroconvulsive therapy 80 years ago.
by astockwell 3y ago
Careful, that was literally the exact same selling point of Electroconvulsive therapy 80 years ago.
- vkou 3y agoIf you've got a better treatment for a case of severe depression that's resisted all other attempts at therapy and medication, we're all ears. If not, I suggest we leave it up to the patients and their doctors to determine whether or not ECT is improving their lives, or not.
- pedalpete 3y agoSAINT protocol tCMS from Magnus Medical https://www.magnusmed.com/ https://www.magnusmed.com/ Not available to everyone yet.
- caycep 3y agoSo...there's a distinction: Electroshock therapy for behavioral modification in schools: bad Modern Electroconvulsive therapy under anesthesia: actually effective and arguably lifesaving for severe clinical depression.
- dartos 3y agoLack of human experiments and anesthesia
- ClumsyPilot 3y ago> Electroshock therapy for behavioral modification in schools: bad Is that just violent punishment / torture by another name?
- caycep 3y agoYes, that's why it was banned in Massachusetts, if I recall, there were state schools/institutions that were using it way back when.
- ClumsyPilot 3y agoShocking!
- cykros 3y agoIn Massachusetts? Not sure I'd use that word. Look up the Fernald Institute.
- andy_ppp 3y agoI'm reminded of this particularly beautiful TED Talk... https://www.ted.com/talks/sherwin_nuland_how_electroshock_therapy_changed_me https://www.ted.com/talks/sherwin_nuland_how_electroshock_th...
- cyberax 3y agoECT therapy is AWESOME. It can treat depression and mood disorders, and it can help with severe epilepsy. It was falsely maligned in the "One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest", because it can _look_ upsetting. However, even when it was done without anesthesia, it caused amnesia so patients didn't remember the procedure itself.
- DANmode 3y agoSo because the patient cannot recall the traumatic events, they're not thought to be experiencing that trauma, or taking lasting effect from it?
- cyberax 3y agoYep. That's also how dissociative sedation works. You don't remember being sedated, and you are not (psychologically) traumatized by medical procedures happening during it. I had it several times for minor oral surgeries, and it's great. And the modern ECT is also done under deep sedation.
- saurik 3y agoHow long after the event do you think it makes sense for this erasure to happen? Like, let's say that you are going to experience something absolutely traumatic but you know next week you won't remember it... is that also ok?