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> Ford EVs aren't compatible with every Tesla Supercharger, however. They must be the more recent units, which are able to charge at up to 250 kW, identified by

> Ford EVs aren't compatible with every Tesla Supercharger, however. They must be the more recent units, which are able to charge at up to 250 kW, identified by a black collar at the base of the charging plug. > And the adapter is only for DC fast charging, not for Tesla's AC destination chargers. While charging interoperability is a great step forward, all these conditionals will make the transition to EV’s much slower. Imagine if gas stations had a different charger for each vehicle manufacturer. Now imagine that gas station (really ought to rebrand them as refuel stations) had to replace charge points every 2-5 years when newer charger models are made. And this model is supposed to be more sustainable? We really need a standard charging plug / port for EV’s, and it needs to be enforced by the relevant authorities.

jbellis 3y ago
That's why everyone is standarizing on NACS for new models. Not much you can do about old ones.
- MBCook 3y ago
  Right. And ford is giving one free adapter for EVERY ford EV for people who already own them or buy them through June(?). Free shipping too. So you put in your order, your vehicle gets a software update, and you’re ready at any station. You don’t have to wait for a new vehicle with the NACS plug. The car doesn’t need to be retrofit.
  - gnicholas 3y ago
    Just FYI this is only for 2021 and newer vehicles: https://www.ford.com/support/how-tos/electric-vehicles/public-charging/how-do-i-get-a-fast-charging-adapter-nacs/ https://www.ford.com/support/how-tos/electric-vehicles/publi...
    - vel0city 3y ago
      Did any of their pre-2021 EVs even support DCFC at all?
      - MBCook 3y ago
        I don’t believe so, only AC charging with a J-1772. So I don’t think this would apply anyway. The Mach-E’s first year was 2021 so this all modern Ford electrics.
briffle 3y ago
In some areas, a green nozle means diesel. In others, a yellow one means diesel... And different states have different levels of ethanol added that can mess with your older hoses and fittings. But most of us got quickly used to that
kccqzy 3y ago
Europe already did what you described: standardized charge port standard (CCS2) and Tesla chargers already open to non-Tesla vehicles. It was glorious. The United States dropped the ball here.
- MBCook 3y ago
  Our government doesn’t do anti-business things like pick winners and losers. We let the market do a 15 year free-for-all so we can end up with as many incompatible options as possible. We don’t support communist concepts like sharing and working together. —- /s, obviously. They should have picked something before a ton of DC chargers had to be built with multiple connectors, both of which are now dead.
  - samatman 3y ago
    Do you know what a DE-9 port is, by any chance? I'm glad the federal government isn't forcing computer manufacturers to include them. Guess we better hope USB-C is the best port a phone can possibly have, because the EU is hell-bent on locking it in for eternity.
    - bombcar 3y ago
      How exactly did the EU define "USB-C" because there are all sorts of ways it could have been defined that leave wiggle-room for future advancements (even now, I believe the USB-C port on an iPhone may actually be a Thunderbolt port ...)
      - kwhitefoot 3y ago
        It only concerns charging not data.
    - kwhitefoot 3y ago
      > the EU is hell-bent on locking it in for eternity. No it hasn't. The EU Commission also gets the right to examine future common charging solutions. Also your comparison is not apt. The USB-C port is not required if the device does not require a wired charging port just as a computing device without a serial interface does not need a DB9 connector.
alwa 3y ago
Perhaps we could call it the North American Charging Standard, and get the SAE to formalize it as an automotive standard! It looks like the standard got published in December- https://driveelectric.gov/charging-connector https://driveelectric.gov/charging-connector
pests 3y ago
Well, already different nozzles/sizes for different fuel types.
- pugworthy 3y ago
  For good reason. You don't want to mix up diesel and gasoline.
vel0city 3y ago
IRT the AC charging situations, it seems far more likely to come across a J1772 AC charger instead of a Tesla destination charger. I don't know of a single place that offers public AC charging that has only Tesla destination chargers around me. Back when Teslas were still pretty new I would see only Tesla destination chargers at some hotels, but even now most hotels I've been to that had charging had J1772 or J1772 + Tesla.

jbellis 3y ago

That's why everyone is standarizing on NACS for new models. Not much you can do about old ones.

MBCook 3y ago
Right. And ford is giving one free adapter for EVERY ford EV for people who already own them or buy them through June(?). Free shipping too. So you put in your order, your vehicle gets a software update, and you’re ready at any station. You don’t have to wait for a new vehicle with the NACS plug. The car doesn’t need to be retrofit.
- gnicholas 3y ago
  Just FYI this is only for 2021 and newer vehicles: https://www.ford.com/support/how-tos/electric-vehicles/public-charging/how-do-i-get-a-fast-charging-adapter-nacs/ https://www.ford.com/support/how-tos/electric-vehicles/publi...
  - vel0city 3y ago
    Did any of their pre-2021 EVs even support DCFC at all?
    - MBCook 3y ago
      I don’t believe so, only AC charging with a J-1772. So I don’t think this would apply anyway. The Mach-E’s first year was 2021 so this all modern Ford electrics.

briffle 3y ago

In some areas, a green nozle means diesel. In others, a yellow one means diesel... And different states have different levels of ethanol added that can mess with your older hoses and fittings. But most of us got quickly used to that

kccqzy 3y ago

Europe already did what you described: standardized charge port standard (CCS2) and Tesla chargers already open to non-Tesla vehicles. It was glorious. The United States dropped the ball here.

MBCook 3y ago
Our government doesn’t do anti-business things like pick winners and losers. We let the market do a 15 year free-for-all so we can end up with as many incompatible options as possible. We don’t support communist concepts like sharing and working together. —- /s, obviously. They should have picked something before a ton of DC chargers had to be built with multiple connectors, both of which are now dead.
- samatman 3y ago
  Do you know what a DE-9 port is, by any chance? I'm glad the federal government isn't forcing computer manufacturers to include them. Guess we better hope USB-C is the best port a phone can possibly have, because the EU is hell-bent on locking it in for eternity.
  - bombcar 3y ago
    How exactly did the EU define "USB-C" because there are all sorts of ways it could have been defined that leave wiggle-room for future advancements (even now, I believe the USB-C port on an iPhone may actually be a Thunderbolt port ...)
    - kwhitefoot 3y ago
      It only concerns charging not data.
  - kwhitefoot 3y ago
    > the EU is hell-bent on locking it in for eternity. No it hasn't. The EU Commission also gets the right to examine future common charging solutions. Also your comparison is not apt. The USB-C port is not required if the device does not require a wired charging port just as a computing device without a serial interface does not need a DB9 connector.

alwa 3y ago

Perhaps we could call it the North American Charging Standard, and get the SAE to formalize it as an automotive standard! It looks like the standard got published in December- https://driveelectric.gov/charging-connector https://driveelectric.gov/charging-connector

pests 3y ago

Well, already different nozzles/sizes for different fuel types.

pugworthy 3y ago
For good reason. You don't want to mix up diesel and gasoline.

vel0city 3y ago

IRT the AC charging situations, it seems far more likely to come across a J1772 AC charger instead of a Tesla destination charger. I don't know of a single place that offers public AC charging that has only Tesla destination chargers around me. Back when Teslas were still pretty new I would see only Tesla destination chargers at some hotels, but even now most hotels I've been to that had charging had J1772 or J1772 + Tesla.