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People keep talking about artificial “intelligence”. Please tell me. How “inteligent” are our AI if they can’t manage to drive a car? A task that any 18 year o

People keep talking about artificial “intelligence”. Please tell me. How “inteligent” are our AI if they can’t manage to drive a car? A task that any 18 year old human with some training can do?

AlotOfReading 3y ago
"AI" doesn't necessarily imply general AI. Besides, it's well known that many of the things we find easy as humans are extremely difficult for computers and vice versa. That observation even has a name: moravec's paradox.
browningstreet 3y ago
That’s what everyone is trying to develop. It’s early days for AI/ML/whateveryoucallit. We’re not at the 3D TV stage of things, where the tech works but no one wants it. More interesting to me is that Apple is making noises about going all in on AI/ML but they decided it wouldn’t help their car efforts. And by car I mean self-driving.
dartos 3y ago
We’ll I don’t think any multimodal model has been trained for 18 continuous years, so we’re not sure yet. Also the word “intelligence” isn’t well defined. Also the word term AI is just marketing. It’s all statistics
two_handfuls 3y ago
Not very intelligent. Yet. Why do you ask?
randomdata 3y ago
AI is not intelligent. That is why we call it AI and not I.
itslennysfault 3y ago
With no training, actually. Anyone can "figure out" how to drive a car. Me and a friend started stealing his mom's car and joy riding at night at 13. No one taught us how to drive. Thankfully, shockingly, no one got hurt and we never got caught.
- icapybara 3y ago
  Well, you had 13 years of seeing your parents drive. Even if you aren't paying attention, it's probably enough to get the basic idea. The AI has never been in a car or seen someone drive before.
- gambiting 3y ago
  Well no, not quite - you've had "training" in that you must have seen cars driving around and been driven in one, so you understood that it's a machine that moves, that is controlled with the steering wheel, and that you can make it move by turning the key in the ignition and moving that weird stick in the middle. All of that is training and you'd need to teach an AI all of those steps too. Just because you didn't have proper driving lessons doesn't mean you didn't come to this with a set of assumptions learned by observation.
  - nradov 3y ago
    I should try driving my laptop around in the back seat with the webcam turned on for a few years and see if it learns how how to drive.
  - toss1 3y ago
    Exactly! With less exposure to driving, the learning could take wildly different paths. E.g., see this comedic example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6v6ZV4Ot1I&t=8s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6v6ZV4Ot1I&t=8s
jmull 3y ago
To people downvoting this comment... to be fair, this might be a response to some of the breathless hype surrounding LLMs these days. There are people making wild claims about the capabilities of AI right now, and it's maybe worth pointing out some concrete examples of AI limitations.
- pixl97 3y ago
  Eh, no. The biggest problem with the word intelligence is it's not actually defined. Yep, we bandy about the I word quite a lot, but consider it as charged as the phrase 'freedom fighter', someone is going to take it much differently than you. If we look in the animal world we can see 'intelligence' encoded in structures everywhere from single celled creatures all the way up to the brightest human being. This creates an obvious problem in definitions. It's like saying "I'm rich because I have money" and when someone asks how rich you say "between one penny and a billion dollars". Any claim that says modern AI isn't "intelligent" needs to specifically claim "Human level intelligence at at common tasks" or it really is false, as again, intelligent has no commonly accepted agreed upon definition.
  - jmull 3y ago
    I can't tell how this is related to what I wrote... maybe a reply intended for the parent comment?
pixl97 3y ago
My dog is pretty intelligent, but it can't drive a car, so is my dog not intelligent?

AlotOfReading 3y ago

"AI" doesn't necessarily imply general AI. Besides, it's well known that many of the things we find easy as humans are extremely difficult for computers and vice versa. That observation even has a name: moravec's paradox.

browningstreet 3y ago

That’s what everyone is trying to develop. It’s early days for AI/ML/whateveryoucallit. We’re not at the 3D TV stage of things, where the tech works but no one wants it. More interesting to me is that Apple is making noises about going all in on AI/ML but they decided it wouldn’t help their car efforts. And by car I mean self-driving.

dartos 3y ago

We’ll I don’t think any multimodal model has been trained for 18 continuous years, so we’re not sure yet. Also the word “intelligence” isn’t well defined. Also the word term AI is just marketing. It’s all statistics

two_handfuls 3y ago

Not very intelligent. Yet. Why do you ask?

randomdata 3y ago

AI is not intelligent. That is why we call it AI and not I.

itslennysfault 3y ago

With no training, actually. Anyone can "figure out" how to drive a car. Me and a friend started stealing his mom's car and joy riding at night at 13. No one taught us how to drive. Thankfully, shockingly, no one got hurt and we never got caught.

icapybara 3y ago
Well, you had 13 years of seeing your parents drive. Even if you aren't paying attention, it's probably enough to get the basic idea. The AI has never been in a car or seen someone drive before.
gambiting 3y ago
Well no, not quite - you've had "training" in that you must have seen cars driving around and been driven in one, so you understood that it's a machine that moves, that is controlled with the steering wheel, and that you can make it move by turning the key in the ignition and moving that weird stick in the middle. All of that is training and you'd need to teach an AI all of those steps too. Just because you didn't have proper driving lessons doesn't mean you didn't come to this with a set of assumptions learned by observation.
- nradov 3y ago
  I should try driving my laptop around in the back seat with the webcam turned on for a few years and see if it learns how how to drive.
- toss1 3y ago
  Exactly! With less exposure to driving, the learning could take wildly different paths. E.g., see this comedic example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6v6ZV4Ot1I&t=8s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6v6ZV4Ot1I&t=8s

jmull 3y ago

To people downvoting this comment... to be fair, this might be a response to some of the breathless hype surrounding LLMs these days. There are people making wild claims about the capabilities of AI right now, and it's maybe worth pointing out some concrete examples of AI limitations.

pixl97 3y ago
Eh, no. The biggest problem with the word intelligence is it's not actually defined. Yep, we bandy about the I word quite a lot, but consider it as charged as the phrase 'freedom fighter', someone is going to take it much differently than you. If we look in the animal world we can see 'intelligence' encoded in structures everywhere from single celled creatures all the way up to the brightest human being. This creates an obvious problem in definitions. It's like saying "I'm rich because I have money" and when someone asks how rich you say "between one penny and a billion dollars". Any claim that says modern AI isn't "intelligent" needs to specifically claim "Human level intelligence at at common tasks" or it really is false, as again, intelligent has no commonly accepted agreed upon definition.
- jmull 3y ago
  I can't tell how this is related to what I wrote... maybe a reply intended for the parent comment?

pixl97 3y ago

My dog is pretty intelligent, but it can't drive a car, so is my dog not intelligent?