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This is a joke, right? MacOS is all over the place?

by tomrod 3y ago

rufugee 3y ago
Agreed...I fail to see how macOS is an improvement. I mean, you have /Applications, but you also have /Library, ~/Library, and so on.
- pavel_lishin 3y ago
  And /Applications, and /System/Applications, even though if you open them in Finder, you'll see the two combined.
  - reactordev 3y ago
    And ~/Applications, and /usr/bin, and /usr/local/bin, and homebrew, and Mac ports, tell me again how Mac is better?
    - sedatk 3y ago
      I just wasn’t aware of these issues. Let me rephrase it then: MacOS’ intentions were better. :)
      - tomrod 3y ago
        Eh............................. maybe? :)
wraptile 3y ago
I'd say that MacOS is even worse which is impressive given that Apple has the absolute control of the platform and seemingly infinite resources and could have refactored the mess at any point.
- tharne 3y ago
  > I'd say that MacOS is even worse which is impressive given that Apple has the absolute control of the platform and seemingly infinite resources and could have refactored the mess at any point. That's true, but also irrelevant. The file system can be a mess on MacOS because most MacOS users will never actually interact with the file system in any meaningful way. Apple obscures the file system away from its users by design. If you ask the average Mac user where on the computer their files are stored, they'll likely tell you something like, "They're all in the Photos app". On the other hand, even a fairly novice linux/unix user will almost certainly end up interacting with filesystem directly at some point, probably a lot.
- graemep 3y ago
  I would guess the RoI of refactoring (especially on a consumer OS) is pretty low though. The average person never sees this stuff. Linux is widely used as a server OS and it still has taken a long time for new appraoches to get traction.
jxdxbx 3y ago
I think the basic file system exposed to users in the Finder is pretty simple. /Applications, app bundles, etc. The Unix under the hood is just standard stuff and Apples hides away detritus like .plist files. And sandboxed apps have their own little stub filesystems too. Anyway I like the idea of GoboLinux a lot but kind of think GUIX, just abstracting it away might be the right approach.

This is a joke, right? MacOS is all over the place?

by tomrod 3y ago

This is a joke, right? MacOS is all over the place?

Agreed...I fail to see how macOS is an improvement. I mean, you have /Applications, but you also have /Library, ~/Library, and so on.

pavel_lishin 3y ago
And /Applications, and /System/Applications, even though if you open them in Finder, you'll see the two combined.
- reactordev 3y ago
  And ~/Applications, and /usr/bin, and /usr/local/bin, and homebrew, and Mac ports, tell me again how Mac is better?
  - sedatk 3y ago
    I just wasn’t aware of these issues. Let me rephrase it then: MacOS’ intentions were better. :)
    - tomrod 3y ago
      Eh............................. maybe? :)

wraptile 3y ago

I'd say that MacOS is even worse which is impressive given that Apple has the absolute control of the platform and seemingly infinite resources and could have refactored the mess at any point.

tharne 3y ago
> I'd say that MacOS is even worse which is impressive given that Apple has the absolute control of the platform and seemingly infinite resources and could have refactored the mess at any point. That's true, but also irrelevant. The file system can be a mess on MacOS because most MacOS users will never actually interact with the file system in any meaningful way. Apple obscures the file system away from its users by design. If you ask the average Mac user where on the computer their files are stored, they'll likely tell you something like, "They're all in the Photos app". On the other hand, even a fairly novice linux/unix user will almost certainly end up interacting with filesystem directly at some point, probably a lot.
graemep 3y ago
I would guess the RoI of refactoring (especially on a consumer OS) is pretty low though. The average person never sees this stuff. Linux is widely used as a server OS and it still has taken a long time for new appraoches to get traction.

jxdxbx 3y ago

I think the basic file system exposed to users in the Finder is pretty simple. /Applications, app bundles, etc. The Unix under the hood is just standard stuff and Apples hides away detritus like .plist files. And sandboxed apps have their own little stub filesystems too. Anyway I like the idea of GoboLinux a lot but kind of think GUIX, just abstracting it away might be the right approach.