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Yes, if you want to do it legally.

3abiton 3y ago
Nintendo made it clear that this is also "illegal". You have to opt for the worse experience (using the switch) otherwise you're the bad guy ...
- sharpneli 3y ago
  Depends on the place. This sort of interoperability is explicitly allowed in the EU.
  - cqqxo4zV46cp 3y ago
    Per whose interpretation of the law? The DMA isn’t going to give nerds the utopia they think that they’re going to get.
    - tssge 3y ago
      Note: I am not a lawyer, this is not legal advice. In the EU, reverse engineering is allowed by law if the reason for doing so is interoperability by the one who owns a license to the product in question. "The authorisation of the rightholder shall not be required where reproduction of the code and translation of its form within the meaning of points (a) and (b) of Article 4(1) are indispensable to obtain the information necessary to achieve the interoperability of an independently created computer program with other programs, provided that the following conditions are met: (a) those acts are performed by the licensee or by another person having a right to use a copy of a program, or on their behalf by a person authorised to do so; (b) the information necessary to achieve interoperability has not previously been readily available to the persons referred to in point (a); and (c) those acts are confined to the parts of the original program which are necessary in order to achieve interoperability." More information: https://www.vidstromlabs.com/blog/the-legal-boundaries-of-reverse-engineering-in-the-eu/ https://www.vidstromlabs.com/blog/the-legal-boundaries-of-re...
- KingOfCoders 3y ago
  Luckily Nintendo (Shadowrun is still some years away, when Ninsonmicro determines what is legal and what isn't) is not the authority to determine if something is illegal or not. But of course they are entitled to their own opinion.
coffeebeqn 3y ago
As a owner of previous modded Nintendo consoles - they certainly don’t share your view
- kristofferR 3y ago
  Yeah, you might as well pirate it, that's just as bad in their view. Same with ripping DVDs/Blu-rays, it's illegal to rip them anyway, so might as well just download them. Especially now that they're suing emulator developers, it's almost unethical to buy Switch games anymore.
  - loup-vaillant 3y ago
    Here in France, as far as I know I have a right to private copy, which I pay for through a specific tax whenever I buy storage. I can rip my DVDs, Blu-rays, or even Nintendo Switch cartridges or hard drive, perfectly legally, even if it means cracking open the thing and circumvent stuff. It's awfully less convenient than downloading the stuff, but it is legal. Or at least it was 20 years ago, but I'm not aware of any change on that front. Now there should be some ground rule. When you buy something, it's supposed to be yours, and you should be allowed to do what you want with it, especially studying it and sharing the results of your study. Any rule that allows some big corporation to retain power over something that's supposed to be yours is serious overreach and should be shut down. Now Nintendo does have a big problem here: without the exclusivity of their form factor (which is arguably difficult to improve upon[1]), all they have left is the exclusivity of their game library. [1]: https://loup-vaillant.fr/articles/ideal-computer https://loup-vaillant.fr/articles/ideal-computer
    - gambiting 3y ago
      Same in Poland. Fully legal to make any copies of any stuff you own, even if it involves bypassing their encryption or whatever. 100% legal.
      - actionfromafar 3y ago

Nintendo made it clear that this is also "illegal". You have to opt for the worse experience (using the switch) otherwise you're the bad guy ...

sharpneli 3y ago
Depends on the place. This sort of interoperability is explicitly allowed in the EU.
- cqqxo4zV46cp 3y ago
  Per whose interpretation of the law? The DMA isn’t going to give nerds the utopia they think that they’re going to get.
  - tssge 3y ago
    Note: I am not a lawyer, this is not legal advice. In the EU, reverse engineering is allowed by law if the reason for doing so is interoperability by the one who owns a license to the product in question. "The authorisation of the rightholder shall not be required where reproduction of the code and translation of its form within the meaning of points (a) and (b) of Article 4(1) are indispensable to obtain the information necessary to achieve the interoperability of an independently created computer program with other programs, provided that the following conditions are met: (a) those acts are performed by the licensee or by another person having a right to use a copy of a program, or on their behalf by a person authorised to do so; (b) the information necessary to achieve interoperability has not previously been readily available to the persons referred to in point (a); and (c) those acts are confined to the parts of the original program which are necessary in order to achieve interoperability." More information: https://www.vidstromlabs.com/blog/the-legal-boundaries-of-reverse-engineering-in-the-eu/ https://www.vidstromlabs.com/blog/the-legal-boundaries-of-re...
KingOfCoders 3y ago
Luckily Nintendo (Shadowrun is still some years away, when Ninsonmicro determines what is legal and what isn't) is not the authority to determine if something is illegal or not. But of course they are entitled to their own opinion.

coffeebeqn 3y ago

As a owner of previous modded Nintendo consoles - they certainly don’t share your view

kristofferR 3y ago
Yeah, you might as well pirate it, that's just as bad in their view. Same with ripping DVDs/Blu-rays, it's illegal to rip them anyway, so might as well just download them. Especially now that they're suing emulator developers, it's almost unethical to buy Switch games anymore.
- loup-vaillant 3y ago
  Here in France, as far as I know I have a right to private copy, which I pay for through a specific tax whenever I buy storage. I can rip my DVDs, Blu-rays, or even Nintendo Switch cartridges or hard drive, perfectly legally, even if it means cracking open the thing and circumvent stuff. It's awfully less convenient than downloading the stuff, but it is legal. Or at least it was 20 years ago, but I'm not aware of any change on that front. Now there should be some ground rule. When you buy something, it's supposed to be yours, and you should be allowed to do what you want with it, especially studying it and sharing the results of your study. Any rule that allows some big corporation to retain power over something that's supposed to be yours is serious overreach and should be shut down. Now Nintendo does have a big problem here: without the exclusivity of their form factor (which is arguably difficult to improve upon[1]), all they have left is the exclusivity of their game library. [1]: https://loup-vaillant.fr/articles/ideal-computer https://loup-vaillant.fr/articles/ideal-computer
  - gambiting 3y ago
    Same in Poland. Fully legal to make any copies of any stuff you own, even if it involves bypassing their encryption or whatever. 100% legal.
    - actionfromafar 3y ago