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Elon bringing excitement to the human race. His way of pushing through is something that gives me hope in the capabilities of humanity.
by neverrroot 3y ago
Elon bringing excitement to the human race.
His way of pushing through is something that gives me hope in the capabilities of humanity.
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- kspacewalk2 3y agoEvery time Elon says or does something cringey nowadays, I just keep repeating the same mantra to myself: "There's no way he can fuck up SpaceX with his antics now, it's too far advanced for his ego to ruin it all and plunge us back into another space exploration winter, stay calm".
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- baq 3y agoI’d love to be a fly on the wall in meetings with both Gwynne and Elon in the room, no matter which way they’re going.
- qiine 3y agoConsidering how strategic SpaceX has become I wonder sometimes if the us gouv would just intervene if Elon did anything funny with it.
- neverrroot 3y agoWe should maybe remember that he is still in his full mental capacity and keeps improving things from the drivers seat. Look at what he’s done after the first launch.
- 2OEH8eoCRo0 3y ago> Look at what he’s done after the first launch. Blew up the second launch?
- neverrroot 3y agoThat is correct, but there is much more success than failure if you look into it unbiased, they delivered all commit tasks and then some stretch ones too. Based on your response I won’t go any deeper, it would be time wasting, you appear to have made up your mind already.
- 2OEH8eoCRo0 3y agoHow many launches did SLS need?
- neverrroot 3y agoHow many successful launches do they have in total? How many did they have 5 years ago? Elon delivered when nobody did, now it’s quite a bit easier.
- runeofdoom 3y agoOne in over a decade, for $23 billion. (And it's arguablely a failure, as the Senate is still earthbound, and likely to remain so for the forseeable future.;))
- panick21_ 3y agoSuch a ridiculous comparison. SLS started 5 years earlier and had 10-20x the budget, and it uses mostly legacy components. SLS uses existing mature engines. Existing production facilities. And so on. If SpaceX had ask themselves, can we make a Super-Heavy of SLS class and launch it the first time, SpaceX could have almost certainty have done that. But that not the goal or the ambition of the project.
- kspacewalk2 3y ago>remember that he is still in his full mental capacity I have serious doubts.
- sneak 3y ago[flagged]
- kspacewalk2 3y ago> being used to conduct mass murder operations there, too. That's what we nowadays call helping a democratic nation defend its citizens from a fascist invasion and literal massacres of civilians, huh.
- thinkcontext 3y agoI'm sure when he said he decided not to allow the Ukrainians to use Starlink to do a sneak attack because of his conversation with the Russians that caught the national security establishment's attention. https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/08/world/europe/elon-musk-ukraine-starlink-drones.html https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/08/world/europe/elon-musk-uk...
- sneak 3y agoIf it weren’t for his extremism, none of this would be happening. Maybe stop looking for reasons to hate on him simply because it’s popular to do so? His works speak for themselves.
- kspacewalk2 3y agoI don't hate him, I simply find his views on most (?) topics reprehensible, naive and/or delusional. I think he's doing great harm to his businesses by oversharing them. I particularly despise his pathetic bothsidesing of the war in which fascists are invading and murdering my relatives in my country of birth.
- TMWNN 3y ago> I particularly despise his pathetic bothsidesing of the war in which fascists are invading and murdering my relatives in my country of birth. As a Ukrainian you ought to be on your knees thanking God that Musk was born. Starlink is that vital to Ukraine, and he had zero obligation to provide it (let alone for free) when the Ukrainian government asked for his help early in the war. The US-funded Starlink subscriptions and Starshield have only increased the value Musk's enterprise provides to Ukraine, of course, but it all began for free. Let me repeat: Zero obligation. Musk is not Ukrainian. The United States is, contrary to what many subreddits' denizens seem to believe, not actually at war with Russia. Ukraine is not a member of NATO or EU. He can say whatever he wants whenever he wants about anything thanks to freedoms that exist in the US but not in Russia (or Ukraine), and Musk is a lot more entitled to do so than you or me or every bleater on Reddit whose collective actions have saved fewer Ukrainian lives than the results of Musk's capital and innovation and risk-taking.
- panick21_ 3y agoName any private individual who has done more for the defense of Ukraine then Musk. Suggesting that a civil war will end in a cease fire along battle lines is a very common way for civil wars to end. Even if during those wars both sides absolutely are convinced that they will have total victory.
- rootusrootus 3y ago> Every time Elon says or does something I remind myself that the real genius at the head of SpaceX is Gwynne, and hope that Elon continues to let her be awesome.
- dotnet00 3y agoGwynne is not involved in Starship. She handles the customers and related requirements, while Musk handles R&D and related requirements. For example, Musk wanted to cancel Falcon Heavy when it started to become clearer how tiny its impact would end up being relative to cost (since F9 had improved so much as to eat up most of the demand they had expected FH to take). It was pretty fair reasoning, but Gwynne insisted that they keep FH development going because they had already started trying to sell it to customers and she felt that cancelation would affect how seriously customers take future offerings from SpaceX for rockets which haven't been fully built ahead of time.
- panick21_ 3y agoThis is what Musk haters have to tell themselves I guess. Of course Shotwell was the sales person during the Falcon 1 days and only later took over more of a leadership roll. And even if she is 'the genius' then Musk is the guy who recruited her, promoted her multiple times and put her in the position she is in now. But its also just the reality that Shotwell job is made 10x easier because she has a reusable rocket to build, sell and launch, while the others do not. Shotwell is awesome, no question. But the Musk hater story line of 'she is the real hero while Musk hits himself in the head with a hammer' is just nonsense. SpaceX has many super smart super talented people, and of course in any company the leader can only do so much, by definition most of the work is not done by the leaders, Musk or Shotwell. But on the other hand we also no that leadership is incredibly important. And there is no question who is leading and has lead SpaceX since Day 1.
- bumby 3y ago>But on the other hand we also no that leadership is incredibly important. I was with you until this part. The general common sense and MBA consensus is that leadership is important. And I suspect that it is more so with smaller companies. But the data seems mixed with large companies and some research seems to point out that high level leaders don’t have an appreciable impact.
- 2OEH8eoCRo0 3y agoYou have said the actual truth
- ein0p 3y agoHis “antics” is why SpaceX became possible in the first place. If he cared what others think he wouldn’t have started it, and wouldn’t be who he is.
- refulgentis 3y agoHear hear! Without Elon, inter alia, pointing out the Democrat plan with Jewish support to take over the US political system via illegal immigrant votes replacing good honest Americans, SpaceX wouldn't have happened. Put an extra set of quotes around "antics", it's time to shame these short-sighted people. ~ Jonathan Swift, demonstrating Horatian satire, characterized by its attempt to raise questions with gentle humor rather than attacking -- that is characteristic of the Juvelian school of satire
- ein0p 3y agoWhat Elon is pointing out, in his own, unconventional way, is that this is not a game, and bringing in 30 million low skilled minimum wage earners (3+M in 2023 alone) of unknowable backgrounds is not conducive to national security or solvency. But your politics make you blind to that fact. Maybe the problem isn’t Elon in this case, wdyt?
- refulgentis 3y agoHoratian satire is used to point out flaws in argumentation, without making people feel attacked, the idea is to put a smile on their face. I see now the idea is it is further evidence of Great Man theory to question Jewish involvement in this serious problem. So yes, not antics in your book. It makes me sad some subset of Congress decided this didn't need solving suddenly, for no apparent reason.
- croes 3y agoWithout NASA money SpaceX wouldn't exist anymore
- neverrroot 3y ago
- everyone 3y agoEven if he does, I think SpaceX's success has spurred the creation of some competitors / imitators, perhaps with more sane CEOs. .. I love "Stokes Space" design for example... https://youtu.be/EY8nbSwjtEY?feature=shared https://youtu.be/EY8nbSwjtEY?feature=shared I cant wait to see that progress.. Imo the upper stage / re-entry design so much more elegant and practical than Starship. It re-enters just like an Apollo capsule, not like the space shuttle or starship's weird bellyflop. Also it doesnt rely on ceramic tiles, which were a big problem with the space shuttle. Even forgetting about Columbia, maintaining and replacing the tiles after each mission was incredibly expensive and time consuming. Imo re-entry is the biggest hurdle to a re-usable upper stage and Stokes Space have based their design around nailing that issue first and foremost.
- kanbara 3y agofunnily enough, elon himself gives me such great shame. he perpetuates an us vs them mentality with his personal beliefs, boosts racists, fascists, and antisemites, and uses his loudspeaker to attack minorities almost every day. he has put a lot of money and taken risks on interesting and useful ventures, but i don’t think his vision for humanity outweighs the negativity and hatred; we can’t go to mars if we all kill each other
- jakearmitage 3y agoDo you have any examples of him attacking a minority?
- croes 3y ago>pushing through It's basically still the same technology as the first rockets, just bigger. We have more and cheaper satellite launches, but we're not really any closer to colonising space. That's Musk's trick, selling revolution, delivering evolution.
- TMWNN 3y ago> That's Musk's trick, selling revolution, delivering evolution. Good god. SpaceX is doing "more and cheaper satellite launches", as you so dismiss them, on a scale and at a cost utterly unachievable by anyone else today. Not Russia, despite 65 years of spaceflight experience and an entire nation state's resources. Not ESA, despite resources of dozens of the wealthiest and most sophisticated nations on Earth. Not NASA itself.
- neverrroot 3y agoSpaceX is number one, you belittle incredible accomplishments across the board. If it’s so easy, why didn’t anyone else do it at this pace/scale? Why doesn’t anyone else do it at their scale today? The hardest thing to achieve is delivering when anyone has access to the same technologies, resources etc. He delivered, the others didn’t. Especially NASA, by comparison. Be fair and give the man the props where the props are due.
- croes 3y agoBecause NASA could accord to pay one start up. I belittle nothing but landing rockets wasn't a new idea and wasn't seen as impossible. It was an evolutionary step and that's what I acknowledge. But people treat Musk as if he single handedly built a Mars colony.
- neverrroot 3y agoThe sheer volume and rate of successful launches is revolutionary in itself.
- neverrroot 3y ago“Prototypes are easy, volume production is hard, positive cash flow is excruciating”.