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Xiaomi bets big on its new electric vehicle – targets 20M premium users

30 points by jitl 3y ago

fancyfredbot 3y ago
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m3kw9 3y ago
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- consumer451 3y ago
  https://www.sony.com/en/SonyInfo/vision-s/vehicle2.html https://www.sony.com/en/SonyInfo/vision-s/vehicle2.html But seriously, I don't think that we should discount what China's auto manufacturing could accomplish. I am old enough to remember jokes about Japanese automobile quality and innovation.
  - m3kw9 3y ago
    Right, Tesla.
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dmix 3y ago
Is he saying they have 20M premium phone subscribers and they want these same amount of users to pay premium rates for their car? Or the 20M number indicates that there's a large group of users willing to pay premium? They seem to be meshing two numbers together.
- consumer451 3y ago
  CNBC is a terrible source of information. https://archives.cjr.org/feature/waiting_for_cnbc_1.php https://archives.cjr.org/feature/waiting_for_cnbc_1.php
- brianbreslin 3y ago
  I read it as 20M premium phone customers who it thinks will be amongst its first customers for this premium car price TBD. To me its a big logical leap to think someone who paid $750 for a phone will suddenly be willing to spend $75k on your car.
costanzaDynasty 3y ago
Once everyone has an electric car and all farts have been smelled, maybe they'll realize they don't need a new car every year or 5.
- bluGill 3y ago
  Do you mean because cars last 12+ years if you take care of them? Or do you mean because we really need great transit since most of what people do with a car can be done on transit (you may still have a truck to tow the boat or whatever but that is a niche)
- mdorazio 3y ago
  They already realized that. New cars are owned for an average of 8 years before selling them [1] and that number has been increasing with the rise of new car prices. It’s one of the reasons the US peaked on new car sales in 2017 and might not get there again this decade. [1] https://www.iseecars.com/how-long-people-keep-cars-study https://www.iseecars.com/how-long-people-keep-cars-study
- manquer 3y ago
  Planned obsolescence that is how, we didn’t get today this without some conscious evil supervillain planning - from the time how long light bulbs lasted to apple reducing battery performance via software . What is stopping car companies to do something similar to car batteries for safety or performance reasons? It is far easier for a manufacturer to control a car and its lifetime with EV and modern ECU stack . They do not need to allow anyone else to access either . Even the RTR movement is more cautious in asking to be able modify road cars on the road, it is one thing to be able to repair your own tractor , it is another thing when the safety of others on the road . Automakers can get away with lot of things by citing safety .
  - tnmom 3y ago
    > apple reducing battery performance via software Only because I think it’s a travesty when this dig goes unchallenged: Batteries get old and have voltage drop at high current; that is called physics. Chips reset below a design voltage; that is also called physics. Slower phones are better UX than rebooting under load. Next time, just say “I hate Apple” rather than repeating debunked stuff.
Rodeoclash 3y ago
After using a Xiaomi phone, I wouldn't touch a Xioami car with a ten foot pole.
- hyuuu 3y ago
  why
  - meonmyphone2 3y ago
    Not op, but I share the sentiment. In my experience, completely subjective of course, Xiaomi software on phones (I used 4 phones) is not polished, has a lot of bloatware/ads, and is not very stable. It's not all bad, since they have some good ux/ui ideas but it doesn't feel reliable to me.
    - inawarminister 3y ago
      Yeah, most Xiaomi users flash their phones with custom or AOSP ROM for a reason Xiaomi SW isn't as bad as other Chinese manufacturers, but still...
- solobalbo 3y ago
  ok
- throw310822 3y ago
  Totally disagree. My phone is a Xiaomi Mi6- released 7 years ago. Works perfectly for everything, I'm writing this comment on it now. Costed me about €300 (I think) in 2018. Excellent product. (Worst fault: the back side is made of a material that is slick in the actual sense of the word: it seems to have next to zero static friction, with result that if left on a table it will move at sub-noticeable speed towards the nearest edge. It might take it one hour but it'll get there, and then fall, all by itself. Unusable without a plastic cover).

30 points by jitl 3y ago

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consumer451 3y ago
https://www.sony.com/en/SonyInfo/vision-s/vehicle2.html https://www.sony.com/en/SonyInfo/vision-s/vehicle2.html But seriously, I don't think that we should discount what China's auto manufacturing could accomplish. I am old enough to remember jokes about Japanese automobile quality and innovation.
- m3kw9 3y ago
  Right, Tesla.
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dmix 3y ago

Is he saying they have 20M premium phone subscribers and they want these same amount of users to pay premium rates for their car? Or the 20M number indicates that there's a large group of users willing to pay premium? They seem to be meshing two numbers together.

consumer451 3y ago
CNBC is a terrible source of information. https://archives.cjr.org/feature/waiting_for_cnbc_1.php https://archives.cjr.org/feature/waiting_for_cnbc_1.php
brianbreslin 3y ago
I read it as 20M premium phone customers who it thinks will be amongst its first customers for this premium car price TBD. To me its a big logical leap to think someone who paid $750 for a phone will suddenly be willing to spend $75k on your car.

costanzaDynasty 3y ago

Once everyone has an electric car and all farts have been smelled, maybe they'll realize they don't need a new car every year or 5.

bluGill 3y ago
Do you mean because cars last 12+ years if you take care of them? Or do you mean because we really need great transit since most of what people do with a car can be done on transit (you may still have a truck to tow the boat or whatever but that is a niche)
mdorazio 3y ago
They already realized that. New cars are owned for an average of 8 years before selling them [1] and that number has been increasing with the rise of new car prices. It’s one of the reasons the US peaked on new car sales in 2017 and might not get there again this decade. [1] https://www.iseecars.com/how-long-people-keep-cars-study https://www.iseecars.com/how-long-people-keep-cars-study
manquer 3y ago
Planned obsolescence that is how, we didn’t get today this without some conscious evil supervillain planning - from the time how long light bulbs lasted to apple reducing battery performance via software . What is stopping car companies to do something similar to car batteries for safety or performance reasons? It is far easier for a manufacturer to control a car and its lifetime with EV and modern ECU stack . They do not need to allow anyone else to access either . Even the RTR movement is more cautious in asking to be able modify road cars on the road, it is one thing to be able to repair your own tractor , it is another thing when the safety of others on the road . Automakers can get away with lot of things by citing safety .
- tnmom 3y ago
  > apple reducing battery performance via software Only because I think it’s a travesty when this dig goes unchallenged: Batteries get old and have voltage drop at high current; that is called physics. Chips reset below a design voltage; that is also called physics. Slower phones are better UX than rebooting under load. Next time, just say “I hate Apple” rather than repeating debunked stuff.

Rodeoclash 3y ago

After using a Xiaomi phone, I wouldn't touch a Xioami car with a ten foot pole.

hyuuu 3y ago
why
- meonmyphone2 3y ago
  Not op, but I share the sentiment. In my experience, completely subjective of course, Xiaomi software on phones (I used 4 phones) is not polished, has a lot of bloatware/ads, and is not very stable. It's not all bad, since they have some good ux/ui ideas but it doesn't feel reliable to me.
  - inawarminister 3y ago
    Yeah, most Xiaomi users flash their phones with custom or AOSP ROM for a reason Xiaomi SW isn't as bad as other Chinese manufacturers, but still...
solobalbo 3y ago
ok
throw310822 3y ago
Totally disagree. My phone is a Xiaomi Mi6- released 7 years ago. Works perfectly for everything, I'm writing this comment on it now. Costed me about €300 (I think) in 2018. Excellent product. (Worst fault: the back side is made of a material that is slick in the actual sense of the word: it seems to have next to zero static friction, with result that if left on a table it will move at sub-noticeable speed towards the nearest edge. It might take it one hour but it'll get there, and then fall, all by itself. Unusable without a plastic cover).