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At this point OpenAI should definitely think of some sort of partership with AWS and GCP. Otherwise they will be just one of the few models

hef19898 3y ago
Honest question from someone who never touched one of those models, is OpenAI anything else than the first and most hyped model developer?
- IanCal 3y ago
  IME nothing is as good out of the box as gpt4 for many tasks.
  - JackFr 3y ago
    Is gpt4 as good in non-English uses? It's not clear to me that it would be particularly important or advantageous, but does Mistral being based in Europe and polyglot first make it interesting vs. gpt4 in some dimension?
    - Al-Khwarizmi 3y ago
      I guess it might depend on language, but as a Spanish speaker who sometimes uses LLMs in Spanish, I'd say the gap between GPT-4 and most of the competition (Mistral included) is actually larger in Spanish than in English.
    - barrell 3y ago
      In my experience it’s not such a simple question. If you want to be able to speak in nuanced non-English and have it pick up on the intricacies, or have it respond in rich correct non-English, then it’s not the best model (Cohere recently released an aya model that I would recommend checking out if this is your use case). If you want to be able to give basic commands and have the model reason about the logic behind your commands, gpt 4 is still the best, even in minority languages.
    - whimsicalism 3y ago
      gpt4 is going to better than other models in every language except maybe chinese
      - staticman2 3y ago
        Depends on the task. Gpt 4 isn't necessarily better at translation than Claude. I'm aware of no benchmarks on this.
    - TwentyPosts 3y ago
      From what I heard Gemini might be better at translation tasks than GPT4.
    - moffkalast 3y ago
      It's the best multilingual model out there and it's not even close. Especially in terms of open models Mistral's are the most multilingual but outside a few handpicked ones the level of proficiency is just too poor for any real usage.
  - wing-_-nuts 3y ago
    I don't disagree with you, but an open source model fine tuned for your use case, and embedded with your data is probably going to be way better at many companies uses cases than GPT4 is.
- moralestapia 3y ago
  Yes, GPT-4 still rules, downside is it's expensive and relatively slow.
- amf12 3y ago
  I'd say you should compare the models for your use case. Which is better depends on how much you're willing to pay, what kind of problems you need help with, speed, ease of use.
bhouston 3y ago
I personally didn't realize how fast other models would catch up to OpenAI. There is a whole set of models now (and some like Meta are purposely trying to undermine OpenAI competitive advantage via open source models) and they are relatively interchangeable with nearly no lock-in. OpenAI's main advantage is being first to market and having the strongest model (GPT 4), and maybe they can continue to run ahead faster than everyone else, but pure technical leadership is hard to maintain, especially with so many competitors entering.
- behnamoh 3y ago
  > I personally didn't realize how fast other models would catch up to OpenAI. They haven't though. Gemini is vaporware and other models are not as good as GPT-4.
  - bhouston 3y ago
    Mistral Large is quite close to GPT 4 per the stats from today: https://mistral.ai/news/mistral-large/ https://mistral.ai/news/mistral-large/ Now once OpenAI launches GPT 5 well I am sure other models won't look so good, but right now these other models are approaching GPT 4 capabilities.
    - parineum 3y ago
      I'm pretty bearish on GPT 5 being better than 4. With how neutered 4 has gotten over time, I'd be surprised if GPT 5 is able to perform better with all the same restrictions that GPT 4 has. GPT 4 is less and less willing to actually accomplish a task for you than it is to tell you how you can do it. It looks more and more like Markov chains every day.
      - staticman2 3y ago
        Did you mean bearish?
        3y ago
changoplatanero 3y ago
Their problem is that they had to agree on an exclusive relationship with azure in order to secure funding from Microsoft

hef19898 3y ago

Honest question from someone who never touched one of those models, is OpenAI anything else than the first and most hyped model developer?

IanCal 3y ago
IME nothing is as good out of the box as gpt4 for many tasks.
- JackFr 3y ago
  Is gpt4 as good in non-English uses? It's not clear to me that it would be particularly important or advantageous, but does Mistral being based in Europe and polyglot first make it interesting vs. gpt4 in some dimension?
  - Al-Khwarizmi 3y ago
    I guess it might depend on language, but as a Spanish speaker who sometimes uses LLMs in Spanish, I'd say the gap between GPT-4 and most of the competition (Mistral included) is actually larger in Spanish than in English.
  - barrell 3y ago
    In my experience it’s not such a simple question. If you want to be able to speak in nuanced non-English and have it pick up on the intricacies, or have it respond in rich correct non-English, then it’s not the best model (Cohere recently released an aya model that I would recommend checking out if this is your use case). If you want to be able to give basic commands and have the model reason about the logic behind your commands, gpt 4 is still the best, even in minority languages.
  - whimsicalism 3y ago
    gpt4 is going to better than other models in every language except maybe chinese
    - staticman2 3y ago
      Depends on the task. Gpt 4 isn't necessarily better at translation than Claude. I'm aware of no benchmarks on this.
  - TwentyPosts 3y ago
    From what I heard Gemini might be better at translation tasks than GPT4.
  - moffkalast 3y ago
    It's the best multilingual model out there and it's not even close. Especially in terms of open models Mistral's are the most multilingual but outside a few handpicked ones the level of proficiency is just too poor for any real usage.
- wing-_-nuts 3y ago
  I don't disagree with you, but an open source model fine tuned for your use case, and embedded with your data is probably going to be way better at many companies uses cases than GPT4 is.
moralestapia 3y ago
Yes, GPT-4 still rules, downside is it's expensive and relatively slow.
amf12 3y ago
I'd say you should compare the models for your use case. Which is better depends on how much you're willing to pay, what kind of problems you need help with, speed, ease of use.

bhouston 3y ago

I personally didn't realize how fast other models would catch up to OpenAI. There is a whole set of models now (and some like Meta are purposely trying to undermine OpenAI competitive advantage via open source models) and they are relatively interchangeable with nearly no lock-in. OpenAI's main advantage is being first to market and having the strongest model (GPT 4), and maybe they can continue to run ahead faster than everyone else, but pure technical leadership is hard to maintain, especially with so many competitors entering.

behnamoh 3y ago
> I personally didn't realize how fast other models would catch up to OpenAI. They haven't though. Gemini is vaporware and other models are not as good as GPT-4.
- bhouston 3y ago
  Mistral Large is quite close to GPT 4 per the stats from today: https://mistral.ai/news/mistral-large/ https://mistral.ai/news/mistral-large/ Now once OpenAI launches GPT 5 well I am sure other models won't look so good, but right now these other models are approaching GPT 4 capabilities.
  - parineum 3y ago
    I'm pretty bearish on GPT 5 being better than 4. With how neutered 4 has gotten over time, I'd be surprised if GPT 5 is able to perform better with all the same restrictions that GPT 4 has. GPT 4 is less and less willing to actually accomplish a task for you than it is to tell you how you can do it. It looks more and more like Markov chains every day.
    - staticman2 3y ago
      Did you mean bearish?
      - 3y ago

changoplatanero 3y ago

Their problem is that they had to agree on an exclusive relationship with azure in order to secure funding from Microsoft