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I think removing persistent storage and the ability to add websites to the home screen makes it obvious what their strategy is. The EU shows that they want inte
by phartenfeller 3y ago
I think removing persistent storage and the ability to add websites to the home screen makes it obvious what their strategy is. The EU shows that they want interoperability for big players like they do with messenger interoperability in the DMA. The web is such a fundamental standard and its interoperability is so important I guess the EU will fine Apple for such behavior. The question is how soon this will happen.
- pantulis 3y ago> I guess the EU will fine Apple for such behavior. The question is how soon this will happen Too late, I'm afraid. Apple has pulled a really smart trick against the tons of paper written by EU commissioners.
- t0mas88 3y agoReally smart tricks can buy you a few years, but in the end either you'll get sued for not complying with the intention of the law or the law gets changed to kill your trick. The legal system doesn't like tricks, a "yes but I did X in a really clever way so it's not X" defence doesn't usually work.
- Xelbair 3y agoI think you aren't aware that EU courts judge on intent, not letter of the law.
- pantulis 3y agoI did not mean to say that Apple will get away with this, it's just that I don't expect the EU to be exactly fast in its response. As the FA says, it will take its sweet time and by then Apple will have reinforced their dominant position. Of course Apple and their legal teams already know that.
- reddalo 3y agoI seriously hope the EU will intervene on this -- it's outrageous and malicious compliance.
- JimDabell 3y ago> Removing persistent storage They aren’t making any policy changes relating to storage. Apple have been progressively locking down methods websites use to persistently track people for privacy reasons. All forms of permanent storage (e.g. cookies, local storage) are limited to a seven day lifetime unless the user interacts with that website / web app. If the user keeps visiting the website / web app at least once a week, the storage remains. Another thing Apple have been doing is using the act of installing a PWA as a signal that it should be trusted more than anything you happen to come across in a browser. So the seven day lifecycle doesn’t apply to PWAs that you install to the home screen. What is happening now is that because PWAs installed to the home screen are no longer available in the EU, people use those PWAs through a web browser. And due to this, the seven days lifetime without user interaction starts to apply. It’s a problem, but this specific thing isn’t a recent policy change from Apple regarding storage, it’s fallout from PWAs not having the elevated privileges from being installed to the home screen.
- ThePhysicist 3y agoThe 7 day limit only applies to third-party cookies / storage, that has nothing to do with progressive web apps.
- JimDabell 3y agoThat’s incorrect. See the section Capped Lifetime For All Script-Writeable Website Data: https://webkit.org/blog/9521/intelligent-tracking-prevention-2-3/ https://webkit.org/blog/9521/intelligent-tracking-prevention...
- ThePhysicist 3y agoThat's only for tracking-related cookies/storage as detected by Safari, regular cookies e.g. for authentication or storage of app-related data are not affected by this at all.
- rezonant 3y ago