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Comes with a Copilot Key, so that model is off my list. We have enough dumb M/S Windows Keys already.

by jmclnx 3y ago

garciansmith 3y ago
I thought MS was basically mandating that key now. Still terrible though, now I need to put two stickers on my keyboard instead of just one. I'd even pay to get two extra key caps to swap that and the Windows logo out. It's silly that my current T14 was bought new from Lenovo with Ubuntu on it, yet still has that damn logo.
- MiguelX413 3y ago
  Crazy how I only just heard about it right now.
vwoolf 3y ago
Doesn't seem to ship with Linux :(
- mirasmithy 3y ago
  I may be missing some nuance and/or perspective here, but is this truly an issue? I've used Dell, HP, Lenovo/Thinkpad, and most recently Framework laptops over the last 15 years, and only one of them offered an out-of-the-box Linux experience. _All_ of them ran Linux (ArchLinux and Fedora) fine if I installed it myself. Is the concern surrounding having to install Linux yourself (valid concern), or around vendor support (subtle BIOS issues, lack of trackpad support, etc)? Edit: Emphasizing my "fine" experience with Linux.
  - wizhi 3y ago
    Vendor support. Shipping with Linux is a good indicator that it's Linux compatible. Buying computers with Linux is also a way of voting for Linux compatibility - even if you reinstall your preferred distro afterwards.
eviks 3y ago
Just rebind it?
- jmclnx 3y ago
  Yes I can, but that is not the issue. I have seen the space bar shrink and shrink. If they added these really useless keys somewhere else, like a tiny button above the F-keys I would not care. I want a easy to get at space bar, at this rate the space bar will eventually be the size of a regular key. To me it is already too small.
  - eviks 3y ago
    I see, opposite for me: space bar is already a giant waste of a space in a prime ergonomic real estate of your strongest fingers, can't wait till it becomes a regular key that it is in non-ergonomic keybords. And these buttons aren't useless precisely because you can rebind them to something useful, even space if you need more space for it

Comes with a Copilot Key, so that model is off my list. We have enough dumb M/S Windows Keys already.

by jmclnx 3y ago

Comes with a Copilot Key, so that model is off my list. We have enough dumb M/S Windows Keys already.

I thought MS was basically mandating that key now. Still terrible though, now I need to put two stickers on my keyboard instead of just one. I'd even pay to get two extra key caps to swap that and the Windows logo out. It's silly that my current T14 was bought new from Lenovo with Ubuntu on it, yet still has that damn logo.

MiguelX413 3y ago
Crazy how I only just heard about it right now.

vwoolf 3y ago

Doesn't seem to ship with Linux :(

mirasmithy 3y ago
I may be missing some nuance and/or perspective here, but is this truly an issue? I've used Dell, HP, Lenovo/Thinkpad, and most recently Framework laptops over the last 15 years, and only one of them offered an out-of-the-box Linux experience. _All_ of them ran Linux (ArchLinux and Fedora) fine if I installed it myself. Is the concern surrounding having to install Linux yourself (valid concern), or around vendor support (subtle BIOS issues, lack of trackpad support, etc)? Edit: Emphasizing my "fine" experience with Linux.
- wizhi 3y ago
  Vendor support. Shipping with Linux is a good indicator that it's Linux compatible. Buying computers with Linux is also a way of voting for Linux compatibility - even if you reinstall your preferred distro afterwards.

eviks 3y ago

Just rebind it?

jmclnx 3y ago
Yes I can, but that is not the issue. I have seen the space bar shrink and shrink. If they added these really useless keys somewhere else, like a tiny button above the F-keys I would not care. I want a easy to get at space bar, at this rate the space bar will eventually be the size of a regular key. To me it is already too small.
- eviks 3y ago
  I see, opposite for me: space bar is already a giant waste of a space in a prime ergonomic real estate of your strongest fingers, can't wait till it becomes a regular key that it is in non-ergonomic keybords. And these buttons aren't useless precisely because you can rebind them to something useful, even space if you need more space for it