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I'm confused: what's with the project descriptions at HTTPS://pkgx.dev/pkgs/?
- mdhb 3y agoSo this is the future of just auto generated bullshit produced en mass that is about to flood the internet huh? Can’t wait…
- BlueTemplar 3y agoWell, it has been going on for some years now... Behold, RimWorld's official forums : https://ludeon.com/forums/index.php?board=1.0 https://ludeon.com/forums/index.php?board=1.0 But yeah, it does seem to be getting worse as neural networks get better... :(
- userbinator 3y agoCurrent AI output still has a very distinctive quality to it, and I doubt that will change. Unfortunately a lot of people seem to be easily fooled.
- BlueTemplar 3y agoThe "Turing test" bar has risen quite high. This is IMHO already a huge problem when you are a moderator with limited resources, trying to fight a hostile attacker (wait until they start semi-randomly picking "write in style X" !), and especially without causing a lot of collateral damage (false positives).
- nicolas_17 3y agoAnd the moderator's mental health.
- evrimoztamur 3y agoOh damn, this is just sad to see, but also very surprising considering RimWorld is not even a dead game.
- BlueTemplar 3y agoThis is what happens with lack of "dogfooding", as you can see, the lead developer hasn't been active there since ~2021 (and in 2019 posted "I haven't had time to look at the forum for many years anyway") : https://ludeon.com/forums/index.php?topic=49934.0 https://ludeon.com/forums/index.php?topic=49934.0 Also my suspicion as to why the Path of Exile forums are so... inadequate (especially search), (though at least not overrun by spambots, in fact they might have the opposite issue with over-zealous moderation) you can hardly find the devs (including moderators) interacting with the community there these days : https://www.pathofexile.com/forum https://www.pathofexile.com/forum A counter-example would be the Factorio forums... so far ? https://forums.factorio.com/search.php?search_id=active_topics https://forums.factorio.com/search.php?search_id=active_topi...
- paol 3y agoYou don't have to wait it's already here.
- moritonal 3y agoAlready getting this. Absurdist summaries of my company's history page that read like a 8th grade book report. Thing is I bet they use AI to parse responses, which means there's many opportunities for prompt-injection.
- otabdeveloper4 3y agoYes, the future is exactly like the past, except at ""web scale"". In the past we didn't have the resources to fill github with endless pages of blogspam, now we do.
- aetherspawn 3y agoNevermind this, it took me around 10 minutes to realise that Dosubot was an AI. Well done. It seemed like a very natural conversation.
- Traubenfuchs 3y agoI am not convinced this isn‘t some kind of state of the art trolling.
- hunter2_ 3y agoYour HN profile only exacerbates the issue.
- codetrotter 3y agoIt seems you're mentioning Hacker News (HN) and suggesting there's an issue related to a profile there. How can I help you with this? Are you looking for advice on managing your HN profile, or is there a specific problem you're facing that you'd like assistance with?
- Traubenfuchs 3y agoDang personally wrote me an email telling me to stop claiming to be an LLM, or rather, asking if I was and telling me to stop if so. Back then I saw it as some kind of private art project to write controversial comments that looked like LLM output. Discussions under my comments regularly devolved into fights over whether I am one. Some would call it trolling I guess. I got a kick out of it. To be honest, I would love to continue! But just to be clear: All the drivel I ever commented on here was organically produced by my average, contrarian and unhinged brain. I guess part of the thinking I wanted to provoke was about the fact that nowadays you just can not know anymore if you are talking to an LLM or not and how the perception of whether you are changes how you communicate. About how your communication changes, based on a single boolean of metainformation (isHuman/isAI/isLlm).
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- stavros 3y agoI don't know this project and I don't understand what this is. Are they using AI to generate package info, and then using a bot to handle their Github issues? What does the project actually do, that something so useless was deployed?
- hyperhello 3y agoGetting AI to do your pastime for you makes you a real Progress Knight.
- mock-possum 3y ago> What is the point of dosubot? It agrees, and apologizes for not having provided a supposedly adequate response. This is my problem with chat gpt - I can’t have anything resembling a ‘real’ conversation with the bot, because it refuses to engage with me in any way other than: 1) restate my last message 2) agree with what I’ve said to an excessive degree, possibly even complimenting me on having said it 3) ask me a leading question that encourages me to send another message, and now goto 1 and loop forever. It ends up just feeling like I’m the target of some kind of time wasting prank.
- fhars 3y agoWell tested communication strategy, that is how Eliza worked, too.
- jeroenhd 3y agoI think the problem is that AI is wrong so often that it would be foolish for it to stick to its guns when you're correcting it. Bing Chat did this at first, and started calling the user a manipulator and an abuser when you corrected it too much (regardless of whether the previous message made any sense or not). I found it really funny, but other people were distressed by it because I suppose they thought they were talking to something sentient.
- kgeist 3y agoThe problem is probably specific to the default system prompt in the default ChatGPT UI version. An open weights LLM can be made into a pretty engaging bot with the right prompt/model/finetuning. I use an uncensored LLM with a special system prompt which makes it answer directly without all the fluff.
- orf 3y agoI’m quite impressed by Dosubot to be honest.
- jxf 3y agoYou should be less impressed; it exudes confidence but is frequently incorrect in that thread.
- Doctor_Fegg 3y agoSounds like a fairly typical Github open source commenter?
- nicklecompte 3y agoBut not a typical Github open source maintainer which is the problem we're complaining about!
- noitpmeder 3y agoSounds like a fairly typical AI chat bot service?
- orf 3y agoSo in other words, it’s very human-like?
- userbinator 3y agoOnly if you consider "human-like" to be the average politician.
- throwboatyface 3y agoThe one thing AI has done really well is generate all the signals of "intelligence" that SV tech folks care about. It's verbose and meaningless, confidently-asserted bullshit wrapped in the right packaging. It's like a Markov chain generator with a Stanford degree.
- shp0ngle 3y agoI start to really really hate ChatGPT/LLMs. It went from "hey that's cool" to "wait people are actually relying on this" very quickly
- mglz 3y agoHype and "good enough" override critical thinking :(
- globular-toast 3y agoSome people will always take things too far. This is part of a larger pattern I observe where people become fixated on solutions and forget (or never even knew) about the problem. If you're working on something it's worth asking yourself every day: what is the problem I'm working on? Does this problem actually exist? Am I sure I'm working on a problem, or am I working on a solution?
- kaoD 3y ago> This is part of a larger pattern I observe where people become fixated on solutions and forget (or never even knew) about the problem. This is just the natural behavior of trying to ride the wave of any tech hype cycle. There are incentives (both monetary and status) for doing so. FOMO also plays a large part here. They know very well what they're doing and the tradeoffs of what they're doing. It's not a mistake, bias or hyperfixation.
- rchaud 3y ago> what is the problem I'm working on? Does this problem actually exist? This is a nice guys finish last situation. The investor capital goes towards "solutionizing", so that's what people chase. Nobody in their right mind thinks food delivery or e-scooter rental is a billion dollar idea for example, but money flows into it anyway.
- r0ckarong 3y agoWait until you realize your government already used this to run some minor aspect of your life and they're looking for ways to make more people redundant.
- supriyo-biswas 3y agoThe pkgx[.]dev website has some kind of `curl | sh` type installation commands to install packages. Given the AI generated descriptions of packages on their websites, I hope this isn't something other than an elaborate way to deliver malware to anyone who stumbles upon this website via a Google search.
- OJFord 3y agoBot response: > Hey @pawamoy! Great to see you back here, diving into the intriguing world of pkg descriptions. Let's take a closer look together! > [and so on for 94 pages] Nope, y'know what, close issue, I don't care any more. (If I were pawamoy.) This kind of crap's even worse than when you get a 'stale' tag for inactivity. Sure, true, nobody else has said anything, but why does that discount my buggy experience or whatever? I would understand if it was because I didn't reply for so long after a maintainer response, but when it's just because there hasn't been any update it's just annoying. Nobody likes '+1's, so don't force even more notifications from label added, pointless comment added to bump, label removed!
- lol768 3y ago> This kind of crap's even worse than when you get a 'stale' tag for inactivity. Sure, true, nobody else has said anything, but why does that discount my buggy experience or whatever? I would understand if it was because I didn't reply for so long after a maintainer response, but when it's just because there hasn't been any update it's just annoying. Nobody likes '+1's, so don't force even more notifications from label added, pointless comment added to bump, label removed! I absolutely hate repositories that do this. You're sending a clear signal that you don't care about bug reports from users. I bumped one issue for about a year (I seem to remember it was security-related too, to make matters worse) whilst the bot repeatedly tried to close it. It never got fixed.
- rchaud 3y agoTop tier comedy. Even the Github bot replies to the question are LLM nonsense: they simply agree with the above comment and apologize for not knowing the answer.
- andyg_blog 3y agoWhat's interesting is that this was created by Max Howell, creator of Homebrew who made waves a little while back for getting rejected by Google despite Homebrew's success. He talks about that here: https://www.quora.com/Whats-the-logic-behind-Google-rejecting-Max-Howell-the-author-of-Homebrew-for-not-being-able-to-invert-a-binary-tree https://www.quora.com/Whats-the-logic-behind-Google-rejectin...
- sneak 3y agoTo his credit, he didn’t let being rejected by the largest advertising surveillance company stop him from shipping surveillance software to millions of end-user workstations anyway, in the form of the nonconsensual spyware built into Homebrew.
- yellow_lead 3y agoIt seems like youve mentioned this before, but googling about this only brings up your other comments. Can you elaborate on what the spyware is?
- inyourtenement 3y agoHe’s talking about analytics. https://docs.brew.sh/Analytics https://docs.brew.sh/Analytics
- userbinator 3y agoIt's an euphemism, just like "telemetry" and "metrics".
- ccorcos 3y agoDo you really feel like what they’re collecting is “spying on you” though? They’re collecting errors and statistics to make the product better. It’s all anonymous and you can turn it off. If it were Facebook ads, I’d be more sympathetic. But it’s automated bug reporting…
- r0ckarong 3y agoMaybe this is some poison pill data garbage to prevent some scraper from getting good data?
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- lisnake 3y agoI need to connect LLM to my Jira tickets…
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