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The war in Ukraine is a war of attrition. The need for human material is so large, that the Ulranians are considering forcing citizens that are in other countri

The war in Ukraine is a war of attrition. The need for human material is so large, that the Ulranians are considering forcing citizens that are in other countries to return and submit to the draft. Any war that will be fought between powers that can easily destroy each other will be fought in the Clausewitz way: Throw bodies at each other until one side is not willing to suffer the losses anymore. Should the US be China ever go to war, that will be the war that we will see. And since China would pick a battle ground south of the topic of cancer ( NATOs southern border) , that bodycount would mostly be US. FYI Hawai is south the topic of cancer.

jasonwatkinspdx 3y ago
The war in Ukraine reflects exactly what I said. They've run into a stalemate because both sides are heavily using conscripts and are incapable of doing maneuver warfare on a scale beyond a platoon. Please explain to me how the trench warfare in Ukraine is relevant to a potential war with China, which will be fought almost entirely by the Navy and Airforce. In fact, the Marines are so convinced of this they gave up all their tanks to reorganize as a more agile force that could island hop while deploying anti ship missiles. The idea that a war with China will require an infantry draft is preposterous. It's no longer 1940. Attempting any form of amphibious landing without naval and air superiority is suicide. That means if China ever lands boots on Taiwan, the war is already over, and a draft would serve no purpose.
- niemandhier 3y ago
  Let me design my personal nightmare scenario: 1. Conservative forces in the southern states continue to claim that the Federal Government is trying to change the voting dynamics by naturalising immigrants. 2. Some form of legal argument is made against the legality of the vote of naturalised citizens in state level. 3. Hawaiian nationalists, secretly backed by China adopt that. 4. Some form of secession movement in Hawaii is formed. 5. China recognises independent Hawaii. 6. The US cannot accept to loose its influence in that part of the Ocean. 7. War by proxy, on US soil. This is all very unlikely, and would make a good plot for a Novel BUT: Historically the US has a much weaker claim on Hawaii ( which was annexed agains the will of the population) than China on Taiwan and there is already friction with the native Hawaiian population e.g. by Zuckerberg circumventing traditional local inheritance laws to build his mansion.
  - jasonwatkinspdx 3y ago
    I don't think there's any reason to talk about a civil war in that sense. It's pure fantasy. That's not to say I'm unconcerned about right wing extremists but that sort of scenario is just nonsense. If anything they'll try to capture control of US military leadership instead.
concordDance 3y ago
Ukraine is a war of attrition because its primarily being supplied by other countries which are dripfeeding supplies while Russia has to slowly unmothball a lot of kit. If the USA actually went to total war it would likely be over long before the average Joe Blogs can be turned into a useful warfighter.

jasonwatkinspdx 3y ago

The war in Ukraine reflects exactly what I said. They've run into a stalemate because both sides are heavily using conscripts and are incapable of doing maneuver warfare on a scale beyond a platoon. Please explain to me how the trench warfare in Ukraine is relevant to a potential war with China, which will be fought almost entirely by the Navy and Airforce. In fact, the Marines are so convinced of this they gave up all their tanks to reorganize as a more agile force that could island hop while deploying anti ship missiles. The idea that a war with China will require an infantry draft is preposterous. It's no longer 1940. Attempting any form of amphibious landing without naval and air superiority is suicide. That means if China ever lands boots on Taiwan, the war is already over, and a draft would serve no purpose.

niemandhier 3y ago
Let me design my personal nightmare scenario: 1. Conservative forces in the southern states continue to claim that the Federal Government is trying to change the voting dynamics by naturalising immigrants. 2. Some form of legal argument is made against the legality of the vote of naturalised citizens in state level. 3. Hawaiian nationalists, secretly backed by China adopt that. 4. Some form of secession movement in Hawaii is formed. 5. China recognises independent Hawaii. 6. The US cannot accept to loose its influence in that part of the Ocean. 7. War by proxy, on US soil. This is all very unlikely, and would make a good plot for a Novel BUT: Historically the US has a much weaker claim on Hawaii ( which was annexed agains the will of the population) than China on Taiwan and there is already friction with the native Hawaiian population e.g. by Zuckerberg circumventing traditional local inheritance laws to build his mansion.
- jasonwatkinspdx 3y ago
  I don't think there's any reason to talk about a civil war in that sense. It's pure fantasy. That's not to say I'm unconcerned about right wing extremists but that sort of scenario is just nonsense. If anything they'll try to capture control of US military leadership instead.

concordDance 3y ago

Ukraine is a war of attrition because its primarily being supplied by other countries which are dripfeeding supplies while Russia has to slowly unmothball a lot of kit. If the USA actually went to total war it would likely be over long before the average Joe Blogs can be turned into a useful warfighter.