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I have a theory about bubbles: It's relatively easy to spot that you're in one, but it's very hard to pinpoint what sort of bubble it is. I'll explain... Durin
by d4nt 14y ago
I have a theory about bubbles: It's relatively easy to spot that you're in one, but it's very hard to pinpoint what sort of bubble it is. I'll explain...
During the lead up the 2008 debt crisis I saw a lot of people talking about how house prices had been going up year on year and questioning whether we were in a property bubble. There was a debate though. Demand for housing was strong (partly due to population growth) and it appeared that globalisation had freed up the capital so banks had plenty of money to lend to people to buy houses. So the rising price of property, it was argued, looked like the natural effect of market forces. In hindsight it's easy to see that there was an oversupply of wholesale debt, but at the time I think people assumed that it was just a more efficient distribution of global capital that was opening things up.
Similarly, in the lead up to 1999 people seemed to know that there was too much money floating around. Everyone seemed to be investing in stocks or property and swapping stories of how much they had made. Yes, tech stocks were rising quickly, but so was everything else, and there seemed to be no shortage of investors coming up with money to fund these tech companies so what's the problem.
I think what happens is that people always look at current circumstances in the context of recent bubbles and try to look for patterns. When they don't quite fit, they argue over whether this really is another instance of a previous bubble. My theory is that the overpriced asset is rarely the same thing as in the last 3 or 4 bubbles.
So, back to the present day. We have lots of high valuations for tech companies. But we also have lots of tech companies actually making a profit, plus operating costs are a lot lower. So we're not about to see a burst in the sense that the funding will dry up and companies will run out of runway. Instagram was like, 12 people(?), if they couldn't have got that $50mil investment I'm sure they could have found a way to keep operating for another year or two.
The challenge is to think about where the bubble might actually be. Could it be in advertising revenue? Are advertisers burning though reserves trying to get attention? Could it be in mineral resources? Are server or bandwidth costs artificially low? Could it be a bubble in intellectual property? Is the exact implementation of Facebook not actually as valuable as the companies valuation suggests. I have no idea, but I don't think this a complete re-run of 1999.
TLDR; I don't think this is "[Tech] Bubble 2.0", this is probably "[Something else] Bubble 1.0".
- roc 14y agoBubbles require huge flows of investment cash to grow. You can't miss that scale of growth. They don't sneak up on you. What's hard is determining the point at which the growth is legitimate and at which point it's fad investment/fraud. It was easy to see huge flows of cash into tech in the dot com bubble. It was easy to see huge flows of cash into real estate and the financial sector in our most-recent bubble. But the biggest problem right now, is a lack of growth. I simply don't see how you can have a bubble without massive investment and no-one's investing like that in anything. Most investors are paying any stable sovereign nation with its own currency to hold onto their money for them (very low, and in some cases negative, real bond rates.)
- Estragon 14y agoIt's actually relatively easy to see when it's become fad/fraud driven. The hard part is predicting when the music is going to stop, because that's controlled by the people investing. Some of the best times to invest in a bubble come during the final frenzy. Warren Buffett was absolutely correct that the dot com bubble was vapid, but he still lost money betting that way. People were predicting in 2003 that the housing market would crash by 2005, with detailed and accurate predictions about how the crash would happen, just two years too early. It is quite clear that the Australian (and, I've heard, the Canadian) housing market is in a bubble, but not so clear how long it's going to go on. One person who seems to know how to think about these things is George Soros. His New Paradigm for Financial Markets is a good read on this question.
- rpeden 14y agoYou're right about the Canadian housing market; There are those predicting it is in a bubble, the most vocal of whom is a former government MP blogging at http://greaterfool.ca http://greaterfool.ca . The funny thing is that even after watching the carnage in the US housing market, people here don't believe it. I hear countless homeowners talking about housing is the best investment you can make, prices won't fall, it is different here, etc, etc.
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