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Tinder Owner Signs ChatGPT Deal. Enjoy the AI Dating Tidal Wave

68 points by cannibalXxx 3y ago

johneth 3y ago
The headline could be reworded to "Tinder Owner Signs Own Death Warrant". The more that AI is used in dating apps, where human connection is basically the entire product, the less people will use them.
alecco 3y ago
Clickbait. They bought 1000 licenses to develop code. It does not affect users. At least as it's stated in the clickbait article.
- some_random 3y ago
  They have a stated long term objective of working AI into everything which is worth discussing, but yeah this is just about code generation and writing emails. It's too bad that this is where journalism is these days.
FigurativeVoid 3y ago
While I haven't been in the dating pool for a while, I still get a huge number of dating related ads. One of the trends that I notice is that there are many more 'AI dating coach' services that seem geared at helping people continue interesting conversations or appear funnier or more intelligent than they are. I see the appeal, as my wife will be the first to tell you I do not do well over text, but I can't help but see these as totally immoral tools. I think the end result will be that people will get a sense for when an AI is talking to them, in the same way we have a sense for fake accounts. But as these tools get better, that might not be the case. Also, I look forward to seeing people on dates that were arranged by their respective agents lol.
- prepend 3y ago
  > totally immoral tools Is grammarly immoral? Or spell checks? Or googling “good text responses to a hinge match?” I don’t like the idea of chatting with an ai on behalf of a human, but I don’t know if it’s immoral. I expect that we’ll just do more FaceTimes and rely on Apple to cut out ai layers of video. Not sure if it makes online dating better or worse.
  - graphe 3y ago
    If you believe in morals you'd believe so. They're filtering a person's thoughts when dating. Dating itself can be seen as immoral, especially in hookup culture. If someone feels like they're speaking to grammarly, or a generic response from google they heard before, they revert to judging you by your looks as usual. If you are ugly none of the AI crap will work.
    - deprecative 3y ago
      If you're ugly you're not getting matches anyway. It does nothing for ugly people. At the end of the day a person has to be attractive to some positive degree in order to find a partner.
      - HPsquared 3y ago
        It's very non-linear, such that conversation quality doesn't matter much. A person below the attractiveness threshold gets basically no matches, so no chance to talk. A person above the threshold gets a huge number of "already motivated" matches, so no need for good talk. Conversation quality only matters for the small number of marginal cases (maybe 20% of users)
        graphe 3y ago
        It's also algorithmically based. My number was likely shadow banned and I got basically no good matches ever. My friend used my number since he ran out and determined it gave him less matches, less quality, and even overseas it was terrible with HIS photos and my number. The funny characteristic was that the number also matched me with my long term girlfriend and got him a single girl that he was interested in. I generally agree with your assessment, but I'd say out of 20% you still couldn't determine the AI user's intentions. I've texted for my friends and I could get them a date or hookup but honestly when there's no motivation for them to do it themselves, it's a waste of time, they were not interested except to determine their conversation skills were the issue and not their looks.
pickledish 3y ago
Good lord. My first read of this I was convinced it was satire. > The dating giant says it long term plan is to squeeze artificial intelligence into “literally everything” in its apps. > The company celebrated its new partnership with a press release written by ChatGPT... It includes quotes supposedly penned by the AI itself, as though it has its own feelings about corporate strategy. “I’m thrilled that Match Group matched with me,” ChatGPT said. “Together, we’re not just breaking the ice; we’re melting it, and reshaping the way work gets done.”
- AlexandrB 3y ago
  > > The dating giant says it long term plan is to squeeze artificial intelligence into “literally everything” in its apps. Classic symptom of tech hype. Remember when companies were trying to squeeze "the blockchain" into literally everything?
  - hn_throwaway_99 3y ago
    I definitely agree there is a ton of over-hyping going on with AI, but I don't like the idea of lumping it all together with "the blockchain". Around 2017 I worked for a fintech company who was going to "sprinkle in some blockchain" everywhere, and it was an unmitigated disaster. I kept thinking "Why, again, can't we just use a database for this?" In fairness to our execs, every time we said we'd sprinkle in some blockchain we'd get a higher valuation and more funding from VCs, so there was that incentive... With AI, while again I feel it's overhyped, I personally get tons of value in my day-to-day work life with ChatGPT, e.g. having it summarize documentation for features I'm not aware of, quickly writing some snippets of code for me, looking up some relevant regulations, etc. (and before the cries of "BUT HALLLLUCINATIONS!!!" - I know, I'm not an idiot, I use ChatGPT for the start of my investigations, not the end). So I see tons of real value in AI (even if I also see tons of places where that little "magic star" icon is starting to get really annoying) in a way where I never saw commensurate value in blockchain.
    - kjkjadksj 3y ago
      It is interesting how all the value you are getting from the ai seems to be from the fact modern web search is broken.
teeray 3y ago
> The dating giant says it long term plan is to squeeze artificial intelligence into “literally everything” in its apps. My guess is that this will be disastrous for the platform if it makes it into the actual chat. Profile writing may be useful. I feel like women would feel deeply uncomfortable with enshittified messaging, since they would no longer be able to tell who is genuine and who is a serial killer. The only way it could work is if there was disclosure "Bob is using AI for this conversation", which defeats the reason Bob likely wants to use AI to talk to Alice. EDIT: I am aware people are already using ChatGPT to message their matches, but I feel like this would pour gasoline on the fire.
- abeppu 3y ago
  IDK, I think it could be disastrous for users attempting to actually meet real humans to establish compatibility and have a relationship with. But there's apparently a bunch of demand for imaginary relationships with bots, and there's seemingly people who enjoy chatting on the dating apps but drag their feet about meeting up IRL. What if the platform "succeeds" by getting subscription fees from people who aren't comfortable saying they don't want a relationship with a real human to endlessly chat with someone who _might_ be real, or could be a bot, or could be a real person sometimes but employing a bot, ...?
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- HPsquared 3y ago
  They already have a major problem with catfishing/scammers/bots.
- some_random 3y ago
  The real use case here is for women to use it to triage tens to hundreds of matches, which will lead to normal men becoming frustrated and leaving resulting in the only people left being fuckboys and serial killers. Which is kinda what it looks like now already.
benjaminbachman 3y ago
Is the title here implying users will be chatting with bots run by the companies? Why in the world would they do that? Clearly the purpose here is to weed out fraud and abuse more easily by analyzing chats between users. I'd welcome it. I'm pretty sure some dating apps already do this, both with text and images, but ChatGPT is probably better at it.
- skeeter2020 3y ago
  Not in the dating game, but all I've heard is that it's the company themselves creating a giant fraudulent community of "hot young singles in your area". AI will only make this worse.
- aramova 3y ago
  > Clearly the purpose here is to weed out fraud and abuse <meme>Is it though?</meme>
- michaelt 3y ago
  Well, it's pretty widely known that a lot of dating websites are full of third-party bots, trying to get you to follow certain instagram/premium snapchat/onlyfans profiles - and pushing romance scams, financial scams and suchlike. It's also pretty widely known that a lot of the big dating websites started out with a bunch of first-party fake profiles and activity, because nobody joins a dating website that doesn't have any users. Usually once the site becomes successful though they get rid of the first-party fake activity though. So first-party bots and bots that are active right now on the major sites are both plausible. Just maybe not first-party bots that are active on the major sites right now.
- jerf 3y ago
  They don't want to chat with bots. They're going to be unknowingly chatting with bots. It's a logical extension of things that are well established are happening: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38447794 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38447794 It's one of the purest examples of short term business thinking I can imagine. Will this goose this quarter's revenue? Heck yeah. But there may not be a dating app market at all in three years once the public realizes that "dating apps" are just fancy wrappers around ChatGPT built to "drive engagement" by making damned sure you don't actually ever enter into a long term relationship with an actual human. It seems dating apps will be leading the way into fulfilling the Dead Internet Theory.
Workaccount2 3y ago
If someone could make an AI that interviews people and then goes out and finds them matches, that would be a god send. Right now the hardest part of online dating is just getting a conversation going. Women have far too many choices and men have none. Women need AI to show them who they would best get along with. Men need AI to get women to talk to them.
- bruce343434 3y ago
  Two black box AIs duking it out to see if their users would be compatible for mating... What a time to be alive. How about this: people need to fucking go outside, get hobbies, meet real people in the real world.
  - hn_throwaway_99 3y ago
    Meet people in the real world?? And like talk to them? Scary!!
    - doublerabbit 3y ago
      Not scary but hard when your niches are not exactly the 1%. I can talk untech and talk tech. But what the hell am I suppose to do to meet those where I'm a goth who uses FreeBSD, goes for evening strolls picking up litter for enjoyment, cynical enough that wants to see the earth burn while an environmentalist who has a dream of opening an animal sanctuary? Goes to the gym, sword fences and finds most of life bullshit oh and also a sword fencer and fire juggler? Has his shit together, mortgage and 35? Next up: HN dating.
      - hn_throwaway_99 3y ago
        > Not scary but hard when your niches are not exactly the 1%. I'll be a little blunt. You're not (and almost none us are) as much as a special snowflake as you may believe. Nearly everyone has unique and niche interests. But more importantly, your post seems to propose the idea that we should all be interested in the same things as our romantic partners. Where does this idea come from? Sure, I think it's important to share some things you like to do together, but I think it's much more important to share the same value system and ideals. Hobbies are just details. I don't care if my partner sword fences or not, but I do care that they can see it's important to me, and cares enough about my happiness to know that I should seek out and do the things I love.
abaymado 3y ago
> In a press release written by ChatGPT, Match Group shared the first steps of its plan for your new AI-driven love life.
crossroadsguy 3y ago
I mean I love to hate anything done by large corps and creepshot cringy VCs, CEOs (nope, not going to name names :P) like the other average peron, but I would take any AI or something else or somebody else that tells me just few things about profiles/matches and I really think those are very reasonable asks: - do they have a habit of typin lyk dis? - do they really read? - do they reply in a timely and proper manner? - are their pictures really current? (God, this! If only AI solves just this) Yup. Sue me! But I’ll take that and I think AI can do at least some of these. Online dating is so fucked up and skewed in different ways to different sides that probably any change might potentially be an improvement. And for a lot of people online dating is literally the only way left when it comes to dating.
marstall 3y ago
when i first read the headline i thought this was a reddit style deal, where chatgpt would be licensing tinder conversation/match data for training. which would be a lot spicier than what it is!
- HPsquared 3y ago
  They could then have Tinder "practice mode" and "hints" suggesting the most effective lines for premium users.
hoosieree 3y ago
"GenAI" was not meant to describe the literal offspring of GenZ, what are you doing? Oh well, Torment Nexus gonna torment.
kleene_op 3y ago
I will live to see the day Tinder becomes a place devoided of any human and filled with chatGPT instances courting each others.
felonynolef 3y ago
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Simulacra 3y ago
This will go along very well with all of the fake profiles.
philjw 3y ago
I'm looking forward to that: Let's link our ChatGPT chat histories with Tinder, have the LLMs impersonate us, simulate all the pre-date conversations, talk about basics, discuss fundamental life ideas, let them ghost each other etc and find out which conversation in theory survives the longest. With these few people, after receiving a tailored date / relationship / expectations briefing you can then meet up. No more time wasted in endless texting / boring job interview dates in cafes. Texting would only last for coordination.

68 points by cannibalXxx 3y ago

The headline could be reworded to "Tinder Owner Signs Own Death Warrant". The more that AI is used in dating apps, where human connection is basically the entire product, the less people will use them.

alecco 3y ago

Clickbait. They bought 1000 licenses to develop code. It does not affect users. At least as it's stated in the clickbait article.

some_random 3y ago
They have a stated long term objective of working AI into everything which is worth discussing, but yeah this is just about code generation and writing emails. It's too bad that this is where journalism is these days.

FigurativeVoid 3y ago

While I haven't been in the dating pool for a while, I still get a huge number of dating related ads. One of the trends that I notice is that there are many more 'AI dating coach' services that seem geared at helping people continue interesting conversations or appear funnier or more intelligent than they are. I see the appeal, as my wife will be the first to tell you I do not do well over text, but I can't help but see these as totally immoral tools. I think the end result will be that people will get a sense for when an AI is talking to them, in the same way we have a sense for fake accounts. But as these tools get better, that might not be the case. Also, I look forward to seeing people on dates that were arranged by their respective agents lol.

prepend 3y ago
> totally immoral tools Is grammarly immoral? Or spell checks? Or googling “good text responses to a hinge match?” I don’t like the idea of chatting with an ai on behalf of a human, but I don’t know if it’s immoral. I expect that we’ll just do more FaceTimes and rely on Apple to cut out ai layers of video. Not sure if it makes online dating better or worse.
- graphe 3y ago
  If you believe in morals you'd believe so. They're filtering a person's thoughts when dating. Dating itself can be seen as immoral, especially in hookup culture. If someone feels like they're speaking to grammarly, or a generic response from google they heard before, they revert to judging you by your looks as usual. If you are ugly none of the AI crap will work.
  - deprecative 3y ago
    If you're ugly you're not getting matches anyway. It does nothing for ugly people. At the end of the day a person has to be attractive to some positive degree in order to find a partner.
    - HPsquared 3y ago
      It's very non-linear, such that conversation quality doesn't matter much. A person below the attractiveness threshold gets basically no matches, so no chance to talk. A person above the threshold gets a huge number of "already motivated" matches, so no need for good talk. Conversation quality only matters for the small number of marginal cases (maybe 20% of users)
      - graphe 3y ago
        It's also algorithmically based. My number was likely shadow banned and I got basically no good matches ever. My friend used my number since he ran out and determined it gave him less matches, less quality, and even overseas it was terrible with HIS photos and my number. The funny characteristic was that the number also matched me with my long term girlfriend and got him a single girl that he was interested in. I generally agree with your assessment, but I'd say out of 20% you still couldn't determine the AI user's intentions. I've texted for my friends and I could get them a date or hookup but honestly when there's no motivation for them to do it themselves, it's a waste of time, they were not interested except to determine their conversation skills were the issue and not their looks.

pickledish 3y ago

Good lord. My first read of this I was convinced it was satire. > The dating giant says it long term plan is to squeeze artificial intelligence into “literally everything” in its apps. > The company celebrated its new partnership with a press release written by ChatGPT... It includes quotes supposedly penned by the AI itself, as though it has its own feelings about corporate strategy. “I’m thrilled that Match Group matched with me,” ChatGPT said. “Together, we’re not just breaking the ice; we’re melting it, and reshaping the way work gets done.”

AlexandrB 3y ago
> > The dating giant says it long term plan is to squeeze artificial intelligence into “literally everything” in its apps. Classic symptom of tech hype. Remember when companies were trying to squeeze "the blockchain" into literally everything?
- hn_throwaway_99 3y ago
  I definitely agree there is a ton of over-hyping going on with AI, but I don't like the idea of lumping it all together with "the blockchain". Around 2017 I worked for a fintech company who was going to "sprinkle in some blockchain" everywhere, and it was an unmitigated disaster. I kept thinking "Why, again, can't we just use a database for this?" In fairness to our execs, every time we said we'd sprinkle in some blockchain we'd get a higher valuation and more funding from VCs, so there was that incentive... With AI, while again I feel it's overhyped, I personally get tons of value in my day-to-day work life with ChatGPT, e.g. having it summarize documentation for features I'm not aware of, quickly writing some snippets of code for me, looking up some relevant regulations, etc. (and before the cries of "BUT HALLLLUCINATIONS!!!" - I know, I'm not an idiot, I use ChatGPT for the start of my investigations, not the end). So I see tons of real value in AI (even if I also see tons of places where that little "magic star" icon is starting to get really annoying) in a way where I never saw commensurate value in blockchain.
  - kjkjadksj 3y ago
    It is interesting how all the value you are getting from the ai seems to be from the fact modern web search is broken.

teeray 3y ago

> The dating giant says it long term plan is to squeeze artificial intelligence into “literally everything” in its apps. My guess is that this will be disastrous for the platform if it makes it into the actual chat. Profile writing may be useful. I feel like women would feel deeply uncomfortable with enshittified messaging, since they would no longer be able to tell who is genuine and who is a serial killer. The only way it could work is if there was disclosure "Bob is using AI for this conversation", which defeats the reason Bob likely wants to use AI to talk to Alice. EDIT: I am aware people are already using ChatGPT to message their matches, but I feel like this would pour gasoline on the fire.

abeppu 3y ago
IDK, I think it could be disastrous for users attempting to actually meet real humans to establish compatibility and have a relationship with. But there's apparently a bunch of demand for imaginary relationships with bots, and there's seemingly people who enjoy chatting on the dating apps but drag their feet about meeting up IRL. What if the platform "succeeds" by getting subscription fees from people who aren't comfortable saying they don't want a relationship with a real human to endlessly chat with someone who _might_ be real, or could be a bot, or could be a real person sometimes but employing a bot, ...?
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HPsquared 3y ago
They already have a major problem with catfishing/scammers/bots.
some_random 3y ago
The real use case here is for women to use it to triage tens to hundreds of matches, which will lead to normal men becoming frustrated and leaving resulting in the only people left being fuckboys and serial killers. Which is kinda what it looks like now already.

benjaminbachman 3y ago

Is the title here implying users will be chatting with bots run by the companies? Why in the world would they do that? Clearly the purpose here is to weed out fraud and abuse more easily by analyzing chats between users. I'd welcome it. I'm pretty sure some dating apps already do this, both with text and images, but ChatGPT is probably better at it.

skeeter2020 3y ago
Not in the dating game, but all I've heard is that it's the company themselves creating a giant fraudulent community of "hot young singles in your area". AI will only make this worse.
aramova 3y ago
> Clearly the purpose here is to weed out fraud and abuse <meme>Is it though?</meme>
michaelt 3y ago
Well, it's pretty widely known that a lot of dating websites are full of third-party bots, trying to get you to follow certain instagram/premium snapchat/onlyfans profiles - and pushing romance scams, financial scams and suchlike. It's also pretty widely known that a lot of the big dating websites started out with a bunch of first-party fake profiles and activity, because nobody joins a dating website that doesn't have any users. Usually once the site becomes successful though they get rid of the first-party fake activity though. So first-party bots and bots that are active right now on the major sites are both plausible. Just maybe not first-party bots that are active on the major sites right now.
jerf 3y ago
They don't want to chat with bots. They're going to be unknowingly chatting with bots. It's a logical extension of things that are well established are happening: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38447794 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38447794 It's one of the purest examples of short term business thinking I can imagine. Will this goose this quarter's revenue? Heck yeah. But there may not be a dating app market at all in three years once the public realizes that "dating apps" are just fancy wrappers around ChatGPT built to "drive engagement" by making damned sure you don't actually ever enter into a long term relationship with an actual human. It seems dating apps will be leading the way into fulfilling the Dead Internet Theory.

Workaccount2 3y ago

If someone could make an AI that interviews people and then goes out and finds them matches, that would be a god send. Right now the hardest part of online dating is just getting a conversation going. Women have far too many choices and men have none. Women need AI to show them who they would best get along with. Men need AI to get women to talk to them.

bruce343434 3y ago
Two black box AIs duking it out to see if their users would be compatible for mating... What a time to be alive. How about this: people need to fucking go outside, get hobbies, meet real people in the real world.
- hn_throwaway_99 3y ago
  Meet people in the real world?? And like talk to them? Scary!!
  - doublerabbit 3y ago
    Not scary but hard when your niches are not exactly the 1%. I can talk untech and talk tech. But what the hell am I suppose to do to meet those where I'm a goth who uses FreeBSD, goes for evening strolls picking up litter for enjoyment, cynical enough that wants to see the earth burn while an environmentalist who has a dream of opening an animal sanctuary? Goes to the gym, sword fences and finds most of life bullshit oh and also a sword fencer and fire juggler? Has his shit together, mortgage and 35? Next up: HN dating.
    - hn_throwaway_99 3y ago
      > Not scary but hard when your niches are not exactly the 1%. I'll be a little blunt. You're not (and almost none us are) as much as a special snowflake as you may believe. Nearly everyone has unique and niche interests. But more importantly, your post seems to propose the idea that we should all be interested in the same things as our romantic partners. Where does this idea come from? Sure, I think it's important to share some things you like to do together, but I think it's much more important to share the same value system and ideals. Hobbies are just details. I don't care if my partner sword fences or not, but I do care that they can see it's important to me, and cares enough about my happiness to know that I should seek out and do the things I love.

abaymado 3y ago

> In a press release written by ChatGPT, Match Group shared the first steps of its plan for your new AI-driven love life.

crossroadsguy 3y ago

I mean I love to hate anything done by large corps and creepshot cringy VCs, CEOs (nope, not going to name names :P) like the other average peron, but I would take any AI or something else or somebody else that tells me just few things about profiles/matches and I really think those are very reasonable asks: - do they have a habit of typin lyk dis? - do they really read? - do they reply in a timely and proper manner? - are their pictures really current? (God, this! If only AI solves just this) Yup. Sue me! But I’ll take that and I think AI can do at least some of these. Online dating is so fucked up and skewed in different ways to different sides that probably any change might potentially be an improvement. And for a lot of people online dating is literally the only way left when it comes to dating.

marstall 3y ago

when i first read the headline i thought this was a reddit style deal, where chatgpt would be licensing tinder conversation/match data for training. which would be a lot spicier than what it is!

HPsquared 3y ago
They could then have Tinder "practice mode" and "hints" suggesting the most effective lines for premium users.

hoosieree 3y ago

"GenAI" was not meant to describe the literal offspring of GenZ, what are you doing? Oh well, Torment Nexus gonna torment.

kleene_op 3y ago

I will live to see the day Tinder becomes a place devoided of any human and filled with chatGPT instances courting each others.

felonynolef 3y ago

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Simulacra 3y ago

This will go along very well with all of the fake profiles.

philjw 3y ago

I'm looking forward to that: Let's link our ChatGPT chat histories with Tinder, have the LLMs impersonate us, simulate all the pre-date conversations, talk about basics, discuss fundamental life ideas, let them ghost each other etc and find out which conversation in theory survives the longest. With these few people, after receiving a tailored date / relationship / expectations briefing you can then meet up. No more time wasted in endless texting / boring job interview dates in cafes. Texting would only last for coordination.