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If they don't just re-controller them and replace the entire structure, we've gone insane. China wouldn't care that they're not following contract protocol. Jus

If they don't just re-controller them and replace the entire structure, we've gone insane. China wouldn't care that they're not following contract protocol. Just nationalize them. Really this should have never happened in the first place.

Animats 3y ago
Who owns the cranes, though? Dubai World Ports, in some cases.[1] China does not, apparently, own any ports in the US directly at the moment, although for a while COSCO had a terminal at Long Beach. Worldwide, a huge number of ports are owned by Chinese companies, financed by the government of China, or both. This is unsurprising given the size of China's shipping industry, but it's also part of a policy to increase the worldwide influence of China. [1] https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/uae-purchase-american-port-facilities https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/uae-purchase-american-port-...
personomas 3y ago
Perhaps, but America is a state where the Rule of Law has power. Undermining the Rule of Law for individual cases like this is not worth it.
- DonHopkins 3y ago
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  - lupusreal 3y ago
    That is an argument for sourcing domestic cranes now instead of putting it off. Anyway, if he's president again I think he's more likely to pardon himself, illegally perhaps, than to actually pay his debts (with bribe money or otherwise.)
    - wakawaka28 3y ago
      The loan they went after him for in NY was repaid in full, and the bank did not complain about "overvaluation" because they know the risks and did their due diligence. Court agents who got elected on a platform of anti-Trumpism are abusing the courts to try to put him out of business. NYC and possibly the whole state are now banana republic territory where you can be attacked for political reasons. Nobody sane should want to do business there until they prove otherwise.
      - Sai_ 3y ago
        I’ll take a judge’s verdict on the topic over yours, if you don’t mind. Trump is on record - in the 2016 presidential debates, no less - claiming that gaming the system (by not paying his fair share of taxes) makes him smart. Not prosecuting him and holding his feet to the fire is a worse look for NYS/NYC. Not showing undue deference to a former president is actually something the state should be very proud of. It’s the opposite of banana republic level corruption when you realise that they’re aiming for the (former) king and can’t afford to miss…which they aren’t.
        wakawaka28 3y ago
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        wakawaka28 3y ago
        >Trump is on record - in the 2016 presidential debates, no less - claiming that gaming the system (by not paying his fair share of taxes) makes him smart. This is in reference to using the same legal loopholes that other rich people use, including rich liberal celebrities and politicians. He's not wrong, he was being honest about what rich people do. Liberals don't even admit they're filthy rich most of the time. What is "fair"? That is an opinion. We don't have to pay according to any random person's idea of fairness. We have to pay according to the law. The bank here had no complaints, and they would have if there was an actual problem. I don't care what some TDS having judge says about that, and neither should you.
        Sai_ 3y ago
    - nradov 3y ago
      Presidential pardon powers only extend to federal crimes. The President can't pardon himself from state crimes or civil court judgments.
  - personomas 3y ago
    Haha yeah you're right
  - passwordoops 3y ago
    Clinton, Bush (to a lesser extent only because of the obsession with the Middle East) and Obama sold out to China. Trump started the course reversal that Biden has astutely continued and whoever doesn't lose the next election is likely to introduce harsher restrictions. The only difference between Trump and every other person who wants to be a president/senator is he was actually persecuted for corruption. Good they went after him. Next go after everyone on the Senate arms committee for insider trading
    - actionfromafar 3y ago
      Yes they sold out, but they did it because they thought they could tame the dragon and make lots of money for America. But it didn't want to be tame.
    - personomas 3y ago
      I would say even Biden sells out to China, but less than the others perhaps. We will continue to sell out to china as long as we continue the moral high ground of equality within our borders but equality doesn't matter outside our borders. Contrary to popular opinion, what we need to do is adopt the idea of inequality even within our borders - not through slavery or barbarism but by reducing minimum wage, reducing social programs, reducing taxes, and stopping the influx of illegal immigration. Then we won't have to sell out to China.
  - wakawaka28 3y ago
    Like how Hillary approved the sale of Uranium One? Give me a break. If Trump was going to sell out he would have done it the first time around. After 8 years, they got nothing on him except bogus charges. They're going after him over a loan he paid back, in which the bank had zero complaints and both parties followed customary procedures. Here's your rape victim btw: https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2019/06/25/stunned_anderson_cooper_cuts_to_commercial_when_trump_accuser_e_jean_carroll_calls_rape_sexy.html https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2019/06/25/stunned_a...
- lupire 3y ago
  The Rule of Law includes provisions for national security and for contracts violations. They can break a contract and pay compensation without literally replacing cranes.
lupusreal 3y ago
If Chinese cranes are an issue at all, then re-controllering extant cranes is just a half measure and the proper solution is to make sure we have a suitable source for cranes in the future. Might as well give that domestic crane source some business now, and work out any problems now rather than kicking the can down the road.

Animats 3y ago

Who owns the cranes, though? Dubai World Ports, in some cases.[1] China does not, apparently, own any ports in the US directly at the moment, although for a while COSCO had a terminal at Long Beach. Worldwide, a huge number of ports are owned by Chinese companies, financed by the government of China, or both. This is unsurprising given the size of China's shipping industry, but it's also part of a policy to increase the worldwide influence of China. [1] https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/uae-purchase-american-port-facilities https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/uae-purchase-american-port-...

personomas 3y ago

Perhaps, but America is a state where the Rule of Law has power. Undermining the Rule of Law for individual cases like this is not worth it.

DonHopkins 3y ago
[flagged]
- lupusreal 3y ago
  That is an argument for sourcing domestic cranes now instead of putting it off. Anyway, if he's president again I think he's more likely to pardon himself, illegally perhaps, than to actually pay his debts (with bribe money or otherwise.)
  - wakawaka28 3y ago
    The loan they went after him for in NY was repaid in full, and the bank did not complain about "overvaluation" because they know the risks and did their due diligence. Court agents who got elected on a platform of anti-Trumpism are abusing the courts to try to put him out of business. NYC and possibly the whole state are now banana republic territory where you can be attacked for political reasons. Nobody sane should want to do business there until they prove otherwise.
    - Sai_ 3y ago
      I’ll take a judge’s verdict on the topic over yours, if you don’t mind. Trump is on record - in the 2016 presidential debates, no less - claiming that gaming the system (by not paying his fair share of taxes) makes him smart. Not prosecuting him and holding his feet to the fire is a worse look for NYS/NYC. Not showing undue deference to a former president is actually something the state should be very proud of. It’s the opposite of banana republic level corruption when you realise that they’re aiming for the (former) king and can’t afford to miss…which they aren’t.
      - wakawaka28 3y ago
        [flagged]
      - wakawaka28 3y ago
        >Trump is on record - in the 2016 presidential debates, no less - claiming that gaming the system (by not paying his fair share of taxes) makes him smart. This is in reference to using the same legal loopholes that other rich people use, including rich liberal celebrities and politicians. He's not wrong, he was being honest about what rich people do. Liberals don't even admit they're filthy rich most of the time. What is "fair"? That is an opinion. We don't have to pay according to any random person's idea of fairness. We have to pay according to the law. The bank here had no complaints, and they would have if there was an actual problem. I don't care what some TDS having judge says about that, and neither should you.
        Sai_ 3y ago
  - nradov 3y ago
    Presidential pardon powers only extend to federal crimes. The President can't pardon himself from state crimes or civil court judgments.
- personomas 3y ago
  Haha yeah you're right
- passwordoops 3y ago
  Clinton, Bush (to a lesser extent only because of the obsession with the Middle East) and Obama sold out to China. Trump started the course reversal that Biden has astutely continued and whoever doesn't lose the next election is likely to introduce harsher restrictions. The only difference between Trump and every other person who wants to be a president/senator is he was actually persecuted for corruption. Good they went after him. Next go after everyone on the Senate arms committee for insider trading
  - actionfromafar 3y ago
    Yes they sold out, but they did it because they thought they could tame the dragon and make lots of money for America. But it didn't want to be tame.
  - personomas 3y ago
    I would say even Biden sells out to China, but less than the others perhaps. We will continue to sell out to china as long as we continue the moral high ground of equality within our borders but equality doesn't matter outside our borders. Contrary to popular opinion, what we need to do is adopt the idea of inequality even within our borders - not through slavery or barbarism but by reducing minimum wage, reducing social programs, reducing taxes, and stopping the influx of illegal immigration. Then we won't have to sell out to China.
- wakawaka28 3y ago
  Like how Hillary approved the sale of Uranium One? Give me a break. If Trump was going to sell out he would have done it the first time around. After 8 years, they got nothing on him except bogus charges. They're going after him over a loan he paid back, in which the bank had zero complaints and both parties followed customary procedures. Here's your rape victim btw: https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2019/06/25/stunned_anderson_cooper_cuts_to_commercial_when_trump_accuser_e_jean_carroll_calls_rape_sexy.html https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2019/06/25/stunned_a...
lupire 3y ago
The Rule of Law includes provisions for national security and for contracts violations. They can break a contract and pay compensation without literally replacing cranes.

lupusreal 3y ago

If Chinese cranes are an issue at all, then re-controllering extant cranes is just a half measure and the proper solution is to make sure we have a suitable source for cranes in the future. Might as well give that domestic crane source some business now, and work out any problems now rather than kicking the can down the road.