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My thoughts as well. It was pretty strong the first few years and rapidly declined in quality for the last 5 or so.

ametrau 3y ago
At some point they stopped being fun and challenging and just became weird and angry. As much as I hate to say it (millenial), it's probably due to the age of millenials and genx now. They should have pivoted a different way--more in line with the changing life stage of the readership.
- hackernewds 3y ago
  are you implying they swapped to catering to gen Z? why didn't that continue to work, when it did will millennials at that age
  - cal85 3y ago
    My sense is fewer Zoomers are interested in the grimy/underworld/rave vibe compared to Millennials and Gen X. It’s all the same to them. My theory is that when Millennials were growing up there was still a strong ‘default culture’ that helped sustain a thriving counter-culture. One could move decisively between the two when bored/frazzled. Zoomers have grown up flailing around in a devolved soup of ideas. Everything’s edgy so nothing is.
    - rsynnott 3y ago
      I would just like to point out that members/former of every counterculture back to at least the 50s have said this about the younger generation; it’s almost a cliche.
      - BananaPuncakes 3y ago
        I'd have to disagree this time. I'm in nearly early 20's and there's not really a prevailing and counter culture. Just two dozen different intercting culture. The lack of a overbearing monoculture does make it hard to effectively rebel.
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      - tekla 3y ago
        So what is the counter culture these days? I go to underground parties all the time and I actually don't see many people that seem younger than mid to late 20's. Mostly late 20's early 30's millennials, and the crust punks of the 70's and 80's/
- sanderjd 3y ago
  Vice: Parenting. School choice: Hip or Dangerous?
JeremyNT 3y ago
Agree, the first few years it was really impressive, with a lot of high quality stuff coming out. At the time I had the sense that they were burning money on very high quality (read: expensive) reporting in an effort to build up the brand, all while hoping to figure out how to make the financials work "later." For some reason I had kind of assumed the strategy had succeeded, seeing as how they stuck around for so long. I guess in reality they just never figured out how to make it sustainable.

At some point they stopped being fun and challenging and just became weird and angry. As much as I hate to say it (millenial), it's probably due to the age of millenials and genx now. They should have pivoted a different way--more in line with the changing life stage of the readership.

hackernewds 3y ago
are you implying they swapped to catering to gen Z? why didn't that continue to work, when it did will millennials at that age
- cal85 3y ago
  My sense is fewer Zoomers are interested in the grimy/underworld/rave vibe compared to Millennials and Gen X. It’s all the same to them. My theory is that when Millennials were growing up there was still a strong ‘default culture’ that helped sustain a thriving counter-culture. One could move decisively between the two when bored/frazzled. Zoomers have grown up flailing around in a devolved soup of ideas. Everything’s edgy so nothing is.
  - rsynnott 3y ago
    I would just like to point out that members/former of every counterculture back to at least the 50s have said this about the younger generation; it’s almost a cliche.
    - BananaPuncakes 3y ago
      I'd have to disagree this time. I'm in nearly early 20's and there's not really a prevailing and counter culture. Just two dozen different intercting culture. The lack of a overbearing monoculture does make it hard to effectively rebel.
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    - tekla 3y ago
      So what is the counter culture these days? I go to underground parties all the time and I actually don't see many people that seem younger than mid to late 20's. Mostly late 20's early 30's millennials, and the crust punks of the 70's and 80's/
sanderjd 3y ago
Vice: Parenting. School choice: Hip or Dangerous?

JeremyNT 3y ago

Agree, the first few years it was really impressive, with a lot of high quality stuff coming out. At the time I had the sense that they were burning money on very high quality (read: expensive) reporting in an effort to build up the brand, all while hoping to figure out how to make the financials work "later." For some reason I had kind of assumed the strategy had succeeded, seeing as how they stuck around for so long. I guess in reality they just never figured out how to make it sustainable.