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They ran out of dangerous places to do designer drugs. In all honesty, Vice was a cool outlet for out-there stories for teens and adults alike. Shame it’s shut
by The28thDuck 3y ago
They ran out of dangerous places to do designer drugs.
In all honesty, Vice was a cool outlet for out-there stories for teens and adults alike. Shame it’s shutting down but then again I never supported it.
- antegamisou 3y agoMy thoughts as well. It was pretty strong the first few years and rapidly declined in quality for the last 5 or so.
- ametrau 3y agoAt some point they stopped being fun and challenging and just became weird and angry. As much as I hate to say it (millenial), it's probably due to the age of millenials and genx now. They should have pivoted a different way--more in line with the changing life stage of the readership.
- hackernewds 3y agoare you implying they swapped to catering to gen Z? why didn't that continue to work, when it did will millennials at that age
- cal85 3y agoMy sense is fewer Zoomers are interested in the grimy/underworld/rave vibe compared to Millennials and Gen X. It’s all the same to them. My theory is that when Millennials were growing up there was still a strong ‘default culture’ that helped sustain a thriving counter-culture. One could move decisively between the two when bored/frazzled. Zoomers have grown up flailing around in a devolved soup of ideas. Everything’s edgy so nothing is.
- rsynnott 3y agoI would just like to point out that members/former of every counterculture back to at least the 50s have said this about the younger generation; it’s almost a cliche.
- BananaPuncakes 3y agoI'd have to disagree this time. I'm in nearly early 20's and there's not really a prevailing and counter culture. Just two dozen different intercting culture. The lack of a overbearing monoculture does make it hard to effectively rebel.
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- tekla 3y agoSo what is the counter culture these days? I go to underground parties all the time and I actually don't see many people that seem younger than mid to late 20's. Mostly late 20's early 30's millennials, and the crust punks of the 70's and 80's/
- sanderjd 3y agoVice: Parenting. School choice: Hip or Dangerous?
- JeremyNT 3y agoAgree, the first few years it was really impressive, with a lot of high quality stuff coming out. At the time I had the sense that they were burning money on very high quality (read: expensive) reporting in an effort to build up the brand, all while hoping to figure out how to make the financials work "later." For some reason I had kind of assumed the strategy had succeeded, seeing as how they stuck around for so long. I guess in reality they just never figured out how to make it sustainable.
- thefourthchime 3y agoChannel 5 on YouTube has picked up where they left off.
- DiscourseFan 3y agoYeah I was about to say, though I'm getting a bit worried that as Andrew grows more successful and grows his operation, the more it will start to resemble a traditional news outlet (much as Vice did in the later years). In any case, I'm hoping once Channel 5 grows big enough they can relaunch Hamilton's Pharmacopeia (though by a different name, of course).
- ijustlovemath 3y agoI think he's principled enough to keep creative direction on it. And just like with All Gas No Brakes, if someone else takes ownership and he disagrees with their vision for the content, he'll just move to a different channel or platform. His fans are devoted enough that they'd follow him.
- jahlove 3y agoIt seems noteworthy to point out there are multiple, credible sexual assault allegations against this man: https://www.npr.org/2023/01/20/1149748975 https://www.npr.org/2023/01/20/1149748975
- Slava_Propanei 3y ago[dead]
- bigstrat2003 3y agoI don't really think that's relevant to the journalism he's doing. If he didn't do it, hopefully the courts will determine his innocence. If he did do it, hopefully the courts will punish him appropriately. But either way the work is good and it's worth one's time to watch it.
- morkalork 3y agoDidn't run out of sex toys and pizza ovens to make poorly disguised content marketing spots for though.
- user90131313 3y agoIt became a propaganda machine, just like any other big or bigger media company and had it's best time before that.
- wombat-man 3y agoI thought it was a lot of fun earlier on with their magazine and tales of underworld stuff. They really screwed up by trying to become some kind of media empire. Was a bad sign when they made a cable channel.
- coffeebeqn 3y agoI remember when Gavin McInness was still making content for them. Their strength was always to have stories and bits that no where else would. Not sure how much they strayed from that in the last 5-10 years but they almost never showed up on my radar anymore
- DamnableNook 3y agoGavin McInness? Founder of the Proud Boys, Gavin McInness?
- ein0p 3y ago[flagged]
- input_sh 3y agoYes, he left Vice over "creative differences" a couple of years before he founded Proud Boys. He wasn't as openly fascist while at Vice, though Vice definitely had to do some damage control over his comments.
- sanderjd 3y agoI would honestly really like to read a book (or New Yorker article, but I repeat myself) about this period. Was he fascist, just not openly, in the early days of Vice? Or was he radicalized later? If he was radicalized, how did that happen? As loathsome as I find him, he also started two well-known organizations, with very different vibes, but also a through-line you can see if you squint. It must be an interesting story, maybe even an enlightening one.
- pndy 3y ago> They ran out of dangerous places to do designer drugs. Yesterday on mastodon I saw a link to the vice piece about mushrooms: "Magic Mushroom Edibles: Everything to Know, from Chocolates to Drops". Their situation is dire indeed /s
- GaryNumanVevo 3y agoYou're confusing Vice Media with Vice News. Vice Media did all the lifestyle stuff and Vice News was sending correspondents to war zones
- catothedev 3y agoBack in the aughts I thought Vice felt legitimately edgy, surprising, adventurous. Then, they realized they could get boatloads of money from 'traditional' media companies, that desperately wanted to look not-traditional and thats when the character changed IMO. Then numerous sexual misconduct cases, key leaders replaced, and it was dead.