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This stage is called denial. There's also anger, bargaining, depression, and finally, in the end, acceptence. I'm saying in a funny way, but I suspect it's true

This stage is called denial. There's also anger, bargaining, depression, and finally, in the end, acceptence. I'm saying in a funny way, but I suspect it's true. Who can say how AI will develop, but beware of happily-ever-after stories. It could be a nightmare for all of civilization, for just engineers, or just not develop much futher.

jhrmnn 3y ago
The problem with this is that it could be a universal argument against any skepticism. So unless skeptics are always wrong, it doesn‘t really work
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- pfannkuchen 3y ago
  Absolutely! The "stages of grief" are just the stages of approaching a problem. Grief is just special because it is an unsolvable problem and so you go through all of the stages. Entering one or more stages of this process does not mean that you are going to go through all of them. In most non-grief cases it stops earlier.
- wolverine876 3y ago
  That's a very interesting approach! Ideally, skepticism has none of that: Denial is arguably not part of skepticism - it lacks skepticism of yourself (i.e., denial includes certainty). Skeptics has nothing to do with anger, or bargaining (you can't negotiate truth); and depression and emotional acceptance also are out of place. Skepticism is unemotional in that its definition doesn't reach into emotion. But skeptics - all humans, as far as we know - are emotional creatures, and beyond a doubt those emotions play a role in driving much skepticism. Which returns me to my point: Many responses to AI are driven more by those emotions than by skepicism.
hooverd 3y ago
Nah, it will bifurcate the industry between people who have a mental model of how things work and people who only know how to press the code dispenser button. Offshore teams will be able to sling 10x times the slop 10x times faster.
- FirmwareBurner 3y ago
  >Offshore teams will be able to sling 10x times the slop 10x times faster Or it will reduce the demand for inexperienced juniors and offshore teams since you can replace their slop with AI slop.
  - hooverd 3y ago
    Well, it's a good thing seniors are hired from the void fully trained. /s
    - FirmwareBurner 3y ago
      You laugh, but where I live the market for juniors (other than summer internships exclusively for currently enrolled university students) is basically zero right now. Every company is looking exclusively for seniors or at least mid level. They don't care that someone needs to train juniors in order to become seniors as long as it's someone else who has to do it. Companies can stay irrational longer than you can stay solvent. So everyone keeps telling me how hot the SW dev market is right now due to all the openings and the high demand, meanwhile I'm only getting rejections because I don't have 3+ YoE in AWS, Kubernetes, Django/Flask, System Design, etc.
      - from-nibly 3y ago
        Who is saying the market is hot for the employees right now? It's dead as a doornail.
    - plorkyeran 3y ago
      This is a problem that a lot of fields have had (e.g. hand-crafted furniture). Technological advances killed the market for juniors but demand for seniors remained. In the short term it's completely fine, but then a few decades later there's not enough new seniors to match demand.

jhrmnn 3y ago

The problem with this is that it could be a universal argument against any skepticism. So unless skeptics are always wrong, it doesn‘t really work

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pfannkuchen 3y ago
Absolutely! The "stages of grief" are just the stages of approaching a problem. Grief is just special because it is an unsolvable problem and so you go through all of the stages. Entering one or more stages of this process does not mean that you are going to go through all of them. In most non-grief cases it stops earlier.
wolverine876 3y ago
That's a very interesting approach! Ideally, skepticism has none of that: Denial is arguably not part of skepticism - it lacks skepticism of yourself (i.e., denial includes certainty). Skeptics has nothing to do with anger, or bargaining (you can't negotiate truth); and depression and emotional acceptance also are out of place. Skepticism is unemotional in that its definition doesn't reach into emotion. But skeptics - all humans, as far as we know - are emotional creatures, and beyond a doubt those emotions play a role in driving much skepticism. Which returns me to my point: Many responses to AI are driven more by those emotions than by skepicism.

hooverd 3y ago

Nah, it will bifurcate the industry between people who have a mental model of how things work and people who only know how to press the code dispenser button. Offshore teams will be able to sling 10x times the slop 10x times faster.

FirmwareBurner 3y ago
>Offshore teams will be able to sling 10x times the slop 10x times faster Or it will reduce the demand for inexperienced juniors and offshore teams since you can replace their slop with AI slop.
- hooverd 3y ago
  Well, it's a good thing seniors are hired from the void fully trained. /s
  - FirmwareBurner 3y ago
    You laugh, but where I live the market for juniors (other than summer internships exclusively for currently enrolled university students) is basically zero right now. Every company is looking exclusively for seniors or at least mid level. They don't care that someone needs to train juniors in order to become seniors as long as it's someone else who has to do it. Companies can stay irrational longer than you can stay solvent. So everyone keeps telling me how hot the SW dev market is right now due to all the openings and the high demand, meanwhile I'm only getting rejections because I don't have 3+ YoE in AWS, Kubernetes, Django/Flask, System Design, etc.
    - from-nibly 3y ago
      Who is saying the market is hot for the employees right now? It's dead as a doornail.
  - plorkyeran 3y ago
    This is a problem that a lot of fields have had (e.g. hand-crafted furniture). Technological advances killed the market for juniors but demand for seniors remained. In the short term it's completely fine, but then a few decades later there's not enough new seniors to match demand.