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> oh cool so the contributors of the data are all getting paid? If people on reddit wanted to get paid for their opinions, they wouldn't be posting them for fr

by Alupis 3y ago

> oh cool so the contributors of the data are all getting paid? If people on reddit wanted to get paid for their opinions, they wouldn't be posting them for free on a publicly accessible forum that does not even require an account to view... This same sentiment came up when StackExchange started to use/sell StackOverflow posts for AI training too - yet everyone arguing that position failed to recognize StackExchange has been making money off their free contributions since day one. Like, how else would StackExchange even exist? They can sell job postings now because of all the free contributions and community built up over the past decade - same with Reddit...

tayo42 3y ago
I think people would write blogs and stuff, but reddit communities are so hostile to anything off the platform.
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Scoundreller 3y ago
At least for the time-being, you can still do full downloads/extracts of stack for your needs, e.g.: https://www.brentozar.com/archive/2015/10/how-to-download-the-stack-overflow-database-via-bittorrent/ https://www.brentozar.com/archive/2015/10/how-to-download-th...
23B1 3y ago
> If people on reddit wanted to get paid for their opinions, they wouldn't be posting them for free on a publicly accessible forum that does not even require an account to view... People post on the internet 'for free' with the expectation that they're discussing ideas which have their own value, not providing training data. Yeah yeah ToS blah blah blah, but the goodwill that sites have built – even ones like HN – is on the premise that we're participating in the marketplace of ideas, not enriching shareholders. This will ultimately be bad for the open internet.
- Alupis 3y ago
  Except you were "enriching shareholders" before. How did Reddit become so valuable and earn so much revenue in the first place?
  - 23B1 3y ago
    I was enriching them by agreeing to view ads – not granting unlimited and perpetual use of my intellectual labor. One is a fair exchange of value, the other is highly exploitative.
    - Alupis 3y ago
      Reddit sells ads first-party. They have their own Advertising Account Team, Advertising Platform and more. The only reason Reddit is interesting to advertisers is the community. You can select specific subs to advertise to, interest groups, demographics, etc. You can get "laser" focused on who you advertise to, and offer compelling adverts to people highly likely to engage with your products/brands and convert into sales. The only reason this works is because people like you have built those communities on Reddit by contributing your thoughts, opinions, experiences, expertise, time and more for free.
      - 23B1 3y ago
        I'm fine with that. That's a fair exchange of value. I'm not fine with them using that intellectual labor for any purpose whatsoever, indefinitely, forever. The only way to win at this point will be not to play; the downstream consequences will be the death of the open internet.
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by Alupis 3y ago

tayo42 3y ago

I think people would write blogs and stuff, but reddit communities are so hostile to anything off the platform.

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Scoundreller 3y ago

At least for the time-being, you can still do full downloads/extracts of stack for your needs, e.g.: https://www.brentozar.com/archive/2015/10/how-to-download-the-stack-overflow-database-via-bittorrent/ https://www.brentozar.com/archive/2015/10/how-to-download-th...

23B1 3y ago

> If people on reddit wanted to get paid for their opinions, they wouldn't be posting them for free on a publicly accessible forum that does not even require an account to view... People post on the internet 'for free' with the expectation that they're discussing ideas which have their own value, not providing training data. Yeah yeah ToS blah blah blah, but the goodwill that sites have built – even ones like HN – is on the premise that we're participating in the marketplace of ideas, not enriching shareholders. This will ultimately be bad for the open internet.

Alupis 3y ago
Except you were "enriching shareholders" before. How did Reddit become so valuable and earn so much revenue in the first place?
- 23B1 3y ago
  I was enriching them by agreeing to view ads – not granting unlimited and perpetual use of my intellectual labor. One is a fair exchange of value, the other is highly exploitative.
  - Alupis 3y ago
    Reddit sells ads first-party. They have their own Advertising Account Team, Advertising Platform and more. The only reason Reddit is interesting to advertisers is the community. You can select specific subs to advertise to, interest groups, demographics, etc. You can get "laser" focused on who you advertise to, and offer compelling adverts to people highly likely to engage with your products/brands and convert into sales. The only reason this works is because people like you have built those communities on Reddit by contributing your thoughts, opinions, experiences, expertise, time and more for free.
    - 23B1 3y ago
      I'm fine with that. That's a fair exchange of value. I'm not fine with them using that intellectual labor for any purpose whatsoever, indefinitely, forever. The only way to win at this point will be not to play; the downstream consequences will be the death of the open internet.

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