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The true test of whether the west has fallen is in its treatment of Julian Assange. The juxtaposition of outpouring for Navalny while mute on Assange is telling
by hndamien 3y ago
The true test of whether the west has fallen is in its treatment of Julian Assange. The juxtaposition of outpouring for Navalny while mute on Assange is telling. We will see in the coming weeks if “The West”tm will put the final nail in its own morality coffin.
- ThisIsMyAltAcct 3y agoThose two aren’t really comparable
- hellojesus 3y agoWhat about a comparison to the west's response of Gonzalo Lira's death in Ukrainian custody then?
- ThisIsMyAltAcct 3y agoA guy who no one knew anything about until he got arrested, who said “Women are like dogs, you have to treat them like you would treat a dog. Every woman responds well to a violent physical encounter.”, who doxxed and stalked journalists in Ukraine and pushed obvious Russian propaganda while living in the country they were invading? Yes, I can understand why there's little outpouring of sympathy for him, at least from the mainstream media and government. There's plenty of sympathy for him from other powerful Western figures though!
- hndamien 3y agoI actually never considered extrajudicial murder as a western value. Perhaps naively.
- ThisIsMyAltAcct 3y agoIt isn't, of course. It was wrong for Lira's pneumonia to be ignored for so long, and the Ukrainian anti-Russian propaganda law is questionable, but if you're wondering why the coverage of Lira is so different from that of Navalny, a man who the Russian govt has tried to assassinate with a nerve agent, this is why.
- riehwvfbk 3y agoThere is a universal rebuttal on Western discussion forums against anything in favor of Russia: just yell "whataboutism!" Guess what, Russian discussion forums have memes about Western apologetics too. They main ones are "That's different" (what you are doing in this thread) and "highly likely" (when completely made up BS is prefixed with "a credible source said it is highly likely that...")
- ThisIsMyAltAcct 3y agoI don't give a shit about what memes Russian apologists have about Western posters. Flat-earthers have memes about globeheads, that doesn't mean they're right about anything. If Russian posters are tired of hearing those things, they can stop making the same stupid comparisons in every thread and stop blanket-denying anything Russia does wrong.
- riehwvfbk 3y ago> Those two aren’t really comparable Because why? Because "that's different"? Anyway, I was just pointing out that you aren't the only one capable of blanket dismissing the other side.
- ThisIsMyAltAcct 3y agoNavalny was an activist who organized large protests against the government, ran for office several times, and investigated corruption, mostly concerning money flows between government officials, oligarchs, their companies and properties, etc. The worst crime he was ever charged with was embezzlement and fraud. Assange is a hacker who's indiscriminately leaked tons of classified info, much of which had little to do with corruption like the unredacted cables and the Vault 7 documents. He's (allegedly) conspired with Chelsea Manning and Lulzsec to basically get whatever he can get his hands on [1][2]. btw, Navalny died in a penal colony serving a 19 year sentence. Chelsea got out after 7. [1] https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/wikileaks-founder-charged-computer-hacking-conspiracy https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/wikileaks-founder-charged-com... [2] https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/wikileaks-founder-charged-superseding-indictment https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/wikileaks-founder-charged-sup...
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- urbandw311er 3y agoMy experience with this tactic is that when nations sneak in and murder people on British soil it tends to rather put us off them. Source: Putin vs Skripal, Salisbury, 2019