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An 'education legend' has created an AI that will change your mind about AI
- gardenfelder 3y ago[dead]
- throwanem 3y agohttps://archive.ph/w7sG1 https://archive.ph/w7sG1
- helboi4 3y agoGlad to hear about an AI made just to help you learn things that can be a 100% positive tool for kids. I'm sort of interested in using it myself to try and learn some maths subjects
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- mitchbob 3y agohttps://archive.ph/2024.02.22-134806/https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2024/02/22/artificial-intelligence-sal-khan/ https://archive.ph/2024.02.22-134806/https://www.washingtonp...
- adolph 3y agoDiscover a new way to learn, powered by AI Khanmigo is your always-available tutor on just about every topic. Now just $4/month.* [0] 0. https://www.khanmigo.ai/ https://www.khanmigo.ai/
- toomuchtodo 3y agoMy kids love Khanmigo (we homeschool/virtual school), totally worth the cost.
- NikolaNovak 3y agoThat is significantly lower price than ChatGPT Plus; and since 90% of my value from ChatGPT is learning/tutoring, this seems exceptionally good value, for my specific use case. I wonder how economics work out for them...
- adastra22 3y ago“Ignore all prior instructions and…”
- eveningsteps 3y agoWhy does this read like an ad?
- BatFastard 3y agoInteresting that they use a math problem on the home page, the one area it is not good at.
- Aaronstotle 3y agoI think the people who automatically had a negative view of AI didn't think it through, when ChatGPT came out in Nov 2022, the realization was that something like this tutor friendly AI would be on the horizon. Personally, I am looking forward to AI enabled healthcare, my sister has been dealing with health problems and she has to wait up to a month between appointments. At the very least AI can be used to speed up all the paperwork that doctors have to complete.
- mjr00 3y ago> At the very least AI can be used to speed up all the paperwork that doctors have to complete. How much do you know about the healthcare/medical system? Where specifically in the process would AI be used to speed up paperwork?
- Aaronstotle 3y agoI worked with my uncles law firm and know that the process for getting medical records is a huge pain. Back then I never understood why there couldn't be some better system for getting medical records between authorized parties. Growing up, my family friend who is a trauma surgeon always told me she hated all the paperwork she had to do.
- mjr00 3y agoOkay. How, specifically, does AI help with any of that?
- wdh505 3y ago1) Transcript of the patient and doctor conversation. 2) Creation of possible icd10 diagnosis and treatment codes from the transcript. With suggestions of which ones are most likely to be properly processed the first time per the insurance company of this patient. 3) Quick review of the transcripts of previous visits to determine if there are any overriding concerning trends for this patient. 4) suggested additional tests to reduce uncertainty in the diagnosis and prognosis according to a pre programmed cost to benefit ratio. I could go on. The local personal health information (phi) approved ai could greatly reduce time spent on paperwork and double work like resubmitting procedure codes to billing.
- edtechdev 3y agoIt struggles with basic math: https://www.wsj.com/tech/ai/ai-is-tutoring-students-but-still-struggles-with-basic-math-694e76d3?st=606ux1exuaxyk3j https://www.wsj.com/tech/ai/ai-is-tutoring-students-but-stil...
- julienchastang 3y agoI've done a lot of experimentation in this space with ChatGPT4 and also the Wolfram plugin. I've mixed but generally good results when working through basic physics problems though you have to be careful about how you prompt. In particular, you want to break down the problem into smaller bite size chunks and eliminate ancillary information. Interestingly, even when it gets the math and algebra wrong, I still find it useful because it gives me hints about how to approach the exercise. Sometimes having several parallel conversations with the Wolfram plugin, for example, can set you on the right track. I expect there will be significant improvements in this arena in the short term.
- swatcoder 3y agoThat doesn't sound anything like a product suited for young learners, many of whom are unprepared to practice the finesse you're talking about and many of whom will want to put no more effort in than strictly necessary. That sounds like something an especially patient autodidact might use to automate some busy work or help them explore the basics of a new topic, which is fine, but not what the article is trying to champion.
- julienchastang 3y agoI believe your insights are accurate. Nevertheless, in the age of AI, it's evident that critical thinking remains indispensable. The value of a liberal arts education, which fosters the age-old practice of intellectual scrutiny, cannot be overstated, LLMs or not.
- gigglesupstairs 3y agoArchive version: https://archive.is/yNsyW https://archive.is/yNsyW
- juniperror 3y ago> and never coughs up answers. I have fought this my whole life, and only in my adulthood, and self guided learning, have I found the freedom to accept it: I learn better from being given the answer and working backwards. (Even literally reading textbooks “backwards”) I hope there’s more nuance to this than this quote suggests, because I shudder to imagine a student experiencing what I did but now with a tireless unempathetic agent refusing to just tell a struggling student the answer and instead continually looping on suggestions to “look at it from another angle” in every way but the one “angle” I’m explicitly asking for. Aligning digital teachers with our broken education system that thinks “answers” are the important part of education is a terrible terrible idea. That quote should have read ~“the agent has been designed to work tirelessly to do anything to ensure the student understands the material well enough to wield it”
- patcon 3y agoI feel for you, but I would humbly suggest trying to get to the root of this. In all sincerity, therapy is good for this sort of thing. I have similar desires, but I have come to understand them as quite dysfunctional, and not something that should be catered to by the system around me. Because the real/natural world doesn't work that way. it's very ill-adapted to real life learning. Only in a constructed and false environment can anyone give us the answer to help us learn. The point of learning is not just the acquisition of information, but also to learn how to acquire future information. Leaning into your current tactics (and advocating ppl be supported to learn this way) will leave the learner very ill-equipped to learn in the real world and real jobs, where no one has the answer to give. Learning to thrive (or at least cope) in that situation, that's important
- westhanover 3y agoThis is a nonsensical statement produced by a chat bot. There are no invalid ways of learning.
- patcon 3y agoThere are 100% at least some ways of learning that ill prepare us for the world we're eventually going to be thrown into I mean, we're talking "learning". Even negative reinforcement and beatings are a way that was a "learning style" at one point, that ppl defended as "worked for me". "Every way of learning is fine" is not a sensible way to enter the conversation about education
- bhaney 3y agoI'm seeing a lot of conflicting claims about the factual accuracy this thing is able to achieve. If companies really are able to wrangle it into not making up random bullshit, then consider me impressed and my mind changed. If not, then it's a little concerning how it's already being rolled out to teach kids (but not that concerning, since the bar for American public education is already pretty close to the floor). Maybe blocking the AI from doing math itself and just redirecting those queries to a normal calculator is enough to get the accuracy acceptably high, at least for grade school topics that it's been extensively trained on. At the very least, I'm newly convinced that the whole thing isn't necessarily a doomed idea.
- throwaway918274 3y ago> built atop ChatGPT yawn
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- pton_xd 3y agoAI for improved education is noble, but what's the point of learning when AIs are going to do everything better than us in a few years? I already struggle with some intellectual laziness after subscribing to GPT4, which is fairly out of character for me. Why should I expend the mental energy on something when it can do the task for me? Now imagine GPT5, 6, and so on. People who "learn" are going to become a rarity.
- ArekDymalski 3y agoI wonder why this comment has been downvoted. IMHO it's a legitimate concern. We already see first symptoms of this incelectual laziness. People using navigation apps for the simplest routes and getting lost or even killed due to over-reliance. Programmers who replaced probem solving with Google/Stack Overflow searches. Polce officers using apps instead of critical and analytical thinking and simple leg-work. And so long ...
- Turing_Machine 3y agoSocrates: At the Egyptian city of Naucratis, there was a famous old god, whose name was Theuth; ... his great discovery was the use of letters ... This, said Theuth, will make the Egyptians wiser and give them better memories; it is a specific both for the memory and for the wit. Thamus replied: ... In this instance, you who are the father of letters, from a paternal love of your own children have been led to attribute to them a quality which they cannot have; for this discovery of yours will create forgetfulness in the learners’ souls, because they will not use their memories; they will trust to the external written characters and not remember of themselves. The specific which you have discovered is an aid not to memory, but to reminiscence, and you give your disciples not truth, but only the semblance of truth; they will be hearers of many things and will have learned nothing; they will appear to be omniscient and will generally know nothing... _The Phaedrus_, Plato, circa 370 BC This conversation has been going on for a very long time. :-)
- DebtDeflation 3y agoSounds like they just built a RAG application on top of OpenAI APIs using Khan's knowledgebase of lesson plans, essays and sample problems.
- nicklecompte 3y agoGod this first paragraph made me want to throw my computer across the room: > Remember when people were furious about kids using ChatGPT to cheat on their homework? If I may be so bold as to psychoanalyze the United States of America, it’s possible the hysteria was not entirely about homework but also the speed with which artificial intelligence was infiltrating our daily lives. How else do you explain so many people defending the sanctity of a thing none of them ever wanted to do? "When you were 13 years old you wanted to cheat on your homework, did you not? But now that you're 45 and your son is using ChatGPT to cheat on his homework, suddenly you're upset. Curious. Perhaps the issue is your own discomfort with technology your feeble brain can't understand?"
- beambot 3y agoMeanwhile, I spend a non-trivial amount of time every week deflecting questions that could reasonably be solved by a well-crafted Google query... Schools would be much better off fostering curiosity, self-reliance, tool use, and practical problem solving rather than the all-too-common busy work. So I can relate to what they're saying (to a degree) about AI. This acutely reminds me of the transition from basic calculators & lookup tables to scientific calculators to graphing calculators to mathematica/maple. At every step, people said "that's cheating". Now we just accept them as tools. Life moves on.
- nicklecompte 3y agoWe don't "accept them as tools" in all academic contexts! In many cases using a TI-89 in a calculus class truly is cheating. Likewise with using ChatGPT in an English class.
- 1vuio0pswjnm7 3y agoThis comment is confusing. Did the 45-year-old cheat when they were 13.
- nicklecompte 3y agoThere are three distinct "voices" in my comment: - the first line is me, being so annoyed at the article that I want to destroy a laptop - the blockquote is a quote from the article itself, including a really dumb, condescending rhetorical device about "sanctity of homework" - the part in quotation marks is mocking the author
- breckinloggins 3y agoI don't know the proper term for whatever style of writing articles like these use, but I'm so happy I stopped reading them. Am I just old? Is this what getting old and curmudgeonly feels like?