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> All postings for software engineers are on-site, in Texas. Not moving my family to Texas, Florida, or Alabama, for anything. Beautiful states, but I have a da

by bko 3y ago

> All postings for software engineers are on-site, in Texas. Not moving my family to Texas, Florida, or Alabama, for anything. Beautiful states, but I have a daughter. what does this mean?

ethanbond 3y ago
That these states are antagonistic to women's health. See: Alabama's ruling that frozen embryos for IVF are actually children with all the rights thereof, immediately ceasing IVF procedures. See also: https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/05/us/texas-woman-high-risk-pregnancy-abortion-lawsuit/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/05/us/texas-woman-high-risk-preg... This woman in Texas having to sue to avoid a very dangerous birth of a child who will she will end up having to watch die within a few days. > It states Cox’s OB-GYN, Dr. Damla Karsan, has a “good faith belief” that Cox falls under the legal exception to the abortion ban, but can’t provide the abortion without a court order because she “cannot risk loss of her medical license, life in prison, and massive civil fines” if her belief is not accepted by the courts. So yes, Texas has an exception for births that would threaten the mother's life, but in practice doctors are justifiably petrified of betting their freedom on their assessment of that risk lining up with a bunch of medically ignorant theocrats' assessments.
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- ethbr1 3y ago
  The opinion in the Alabama Supreme Court ruling is a fascinating read, as the justices attempting to figure out what the heck the legislature's intent was in a poorly-written and sparse law. https://publicportal-api.alappeals.gov/courts/68f021c4-6a44-4735-9a76-5360b2e8af13/cms/case/343D203A-B13D-463A-8176-C46E3AE4F695/docketentrydocuments/E3D95592-3CBE-4384-AFA6-063D4595AA1D https://publicportal-api.alappeals.gov/courts/68f021c4-6a44-...
- sandworm101 3y ago
  >> Texas has an exception for births that would threaten the mother's life I saw an interview with a political appointee in charge of exemptions, I believe in texas. He was a hardcore right-wing Christian republican strongly against abortion. He lasted a week. After seeing all the various horror stories, the stuff that obgyns learn of at school, he radically changed his mind and was asking to let doctors again make the decisions: "Please, I don't want to see any more of those ultrasounds."
  - sp332 3y ago
    A source would be great if you can remember that one.
- imtringued 3y ago
  Frozen embryos are children with all rights? What's next? Women who have periods are serial killers and must be kept pregnant at all times? Most of those frozen embryos are less than a dozen stem cells. You lose far more skin cells every second. There is no way to describe this other than religious crankery.
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martincmartin 3y ago
Might be about reproductive rights and abortion.
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sandworm101 3y ago
There are some horror stories coming out of certain US states, mostly surrounding woman's reproductive rights. There are crackdowns on old ways of doing things such as driving your daughter to another state in order to have an abortion. That can now be a very serious felony for all involved. Many people with kids, and many young women, are starting to actively avoid moving to these states. This is growing problem for military recruiters. Try telling a 17yo highschool girl that if she joins the army at 18 she may be posted to some random state where she may not have access to various forms of reproductive healthcare, where perhaps even contraception may soon be disallowed. Or tell a gay kid that he might be moved to a state where the return of sodomy laws is openly discussed in the legislature. Heck no. Even if the new laws are not as bad as reported, they are a significant factor for many young people.
- me_me_me 3y ago
  It is chilling that this reads like a dystopian novel prompt. And on the other side of US men are women, women are men, and nobody is anything and everything at the same time. What a time to be alive.
  - sandworm101 3y ago
    Dystopian but also something unique to the US. Each state is effectively a different country with sometimes radically different laws. But people are free to move about and select which set of laws they want to live under, at least so long as they are not pregnant. New parents may move to state A so their daughter can have reproducer freedom. Or a billionaire may move to state B so he can more easily sell stocks without being taxed. No other country organizes itself around such a pick-your-laws scheme.
    - G3rn0ti 3y ago
      Switzerland did this even before the US. The US model is basically a copy of how Switzerland has been working (probably even more radically so with a much weaker federal government). But the emotional policies surrounding abortion in the US do not stem from their federal organization but rather roots in rather strong religious sentiments still more prevalent in the US than probably many other western countries. In Switzerland abortion has been formally legal since about 2001.
samatman 3y ago
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- V__ 3y ago
  Or he just wants his daughter to survive childbirth.
stronglikedan 3y ago
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silent_cal 3y ago
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Communitivity 3y ago
Some of the other commenters hit the nail on the head. The reason is the removal of women's rights previously taken as a given. Also a consideration is the negative view/actions of some police in these states toward anyone who is considered non-standard or non-Christian in any way (e.g., at one point my daughter was close friends with a Muslim African-American). This is America, so according to the current laws those states have the right to do that. I personally think it's wrong, and would never subject my daughter to that, but my only option is to vote with my money and my feet - so I don't go to conferences in those states, and will never live in those states. “A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject.” ― Winston S. Churchill As a parting thought, I admire Nikolai Tesla, and Alan Turing. Tesla was suspected of being a communist and was in love with a pigeon. Turing was homosexual. How do you think either of these legendary minds would have fared had they been born in and lived in Texas? Would they have survived to do what they did? What would our world be like today if it had none of their publications or inventions?

by bko 3y ago

> All postings for software engineers are on-site, in Texas. Not moving my family to Texas, Florida, or Alabama, for anything. Beautiful states, but I have a daughter. what does this mean?

ethanbond 3y ago

That these states are antagonistic to women's health. See: Alabama's ruling that frozen embryos for IVF are actually children with all the rights thereof, immediately ceasing IVF procedures. See also: https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/05/us/texas-woman-high-risk-pregnancy-abortion-lawsuit/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/05/us/texas-woman-high-risk-preg... This woman in Texas having to sue to avoid a very dangerous birth of a child who will she will end up having to watch die within a few days. > It states Cox’s OB-GYN, Dr. Damla Karsan, has a “good faith belief” that Cox falls under the legal exception to the abortion ban, but can’t provide the abortion without a court order because she “cannot risk loss of her medical license, life in prison, and massive civil fines” if her belief is not accepted by the courts. So yes, Texas has an exception for births that would threaten the mother's life, but in practice doctors are justifiably petrified of betting their freedom on their assessment of that risk lining up with a bunch of medically ignorant theocrats' assessments.

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ethbr1 3y ago
The opinion in the Alabama Supreme Court ruling is a fascinating read, as the justices attempting to figure out what the heck the legislature's intent was in a poorly-written and sparse law. https://publicportal-api.alappeals.gov/courts/68f021c4-6a44-4735-9a76-5360b2e8af13/cms/case/343D203A-B13D-463A-8176-C46E3AE4F695/docketentrydocuments/E3D95592-3CBE-4384-AFA6-063D4595AA1D https://publicportal-api.alappeals.gov/courts/68f021c4-6a44-...
sandworm101 3y ago
>> Texas has an exception for births that would threaten the mother's life I saw an interview with a political appointee in charge of exemptions, I believe in texas. He was a hardcore right-wing Christian republican strongly against abortion. He lasted a week. After seeing all the various horror stories, the stuff that obgyns learn of at school, he radically changed his mind and was asking to let doctors again make the decisions: "Please, I don't want to see any more of those ultrasounds."
- sp332 3y ago
  A source would be great if you can remember that one.
imtringued 3y ago
Frozen embryos are children with all rights? What's next? Women who have periods are serial killers and must be kept pregnant at all times? Most of those frozen embryos are less than a dozen stem cells. You lose far more skin cells every second. There is no way to describe this other than religious crankery.

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martincmartin 3y ago

Might be about reproductive rights and abortion.

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sandworm101 3y ago

There are some horror stories coming out of certain US states, mostly surrounding woman's reproductive rights. There are crackdowns on old ways of doing things such as driving your daughter to another state in order to have an abortion. That can now be a very serious felony for all involved. Many people with kids, and many young women, are starting to actively avoid moving to these states. This is growing problem for military recruiters. Try telling a 17yo highschool girl that if she joins the army at 18 she may be posted to some random state where she may not have access to various forms of reproductive healthcare, where perhaps even contraception may soon be disallowed. Or tell a gay kid that he might be moved to a state where the return of sodomy laws is openly discussed in the legislature. Heck no. Even if the new laws are not as bad as reported, they are a significant factor for many young people.

me_me_me 3y ago
It is chilling that this reads like a dystopian novel prompt. And on the other side of US men are women, women are men, and nobody is anything and everything at the same time. What a time to be alive.
- sandworm101 3y ago
  Dystopian but also something unique to the US. Each state is effectively a different country with sometimes radically different laws. But people are free to move about and select which set of laws they want to live under, at least so long as they are not pregnant. New parents may move to state A so their daughter can have reproducer freedom. Or a billionaire may move to state B so he can more easily sell stocks without being taxed. No other country organizes itself around such a pick-your-laws scheme.
  - G3rn0ti 3y ago
    Switzerland did this even before the US. The US model is basically a copy of how Switzerland has been working (probably even more radically so with a much weaker federal government). But the emotional policies surrounding abortion in the US do not stem from their federal organization but rather roots in rather strong religious sentiments still more prevalent in the US than probably many other western countries. In Switzerland abortion has been formally legal since about 2001.

samatman 3y ago

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V__ 3y ago
Or he just wants his daughter to survive childbirth.

stronglikedan 3y ago

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deleted 3y ago
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silent_cal 3y ago

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Communitivity 3y ago

Some of the other commenters hit the nail on the head. The reason is the removal of women's rights previously taken as a given. Also a consideration is the negative view/actions of some police in these states toward anyone who is considered non-standard or non-Christian in any way (e.g., at one point my daughter was close friends with a Muslim African-American). This is America, so according to the current laws those states have the right to do that. I personally think it's wrong, and would never subject my daughter to that, but my only option is to vote with my money and my feet - so I don't go to conferences in those states, and will never live in those states. “A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject.” ― Winston S. Churchill As a parting thought, I admire Nikolai Tesla, and Alan Turing. Tesla was suspected of being a communist and was in love with a pigeon. Turing was homosexual. How do you think either of these legendary minds would have fared had they been born in and lived in Texas? Would they have survived to do what they did? What would our world be like today if it had none of their publications or inventions?