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> Of course the politically sensitive people are waging war over it. Just like politically sensitive people waged war over Google identifying an obscured perso
by Jensson 3y ago
> Of course the politically sensitive people are waging war over it.
Just like politically sensitive people waged war over Google identifying an obscured person as a Gorilla. Its just a silly mistake, how could anyone get upset over that?
- rohtashotas 3y agoIt's not a silly mistake. It was rlhf'd to do this intentionally. When the results are more extremist than the unfiltered model, it's no longer a 'small mistake'
- londons_explore 3y agoEngineers can easily spend more time and effort dealing with these 'corner cases' than they do building the whole of the rest of the product.
- baq 3y agoThe famous 80/80 rule
- hallway_monitor 3y agoThe first 80% of a software project takes 80% of the time. The last 20% of a software project takes 80% of the time. And if you prove this false, you're a better engineer than me!
- peteradio 3y ago> And if you prove this false, you're a better engineer than me! Probably cheating somehow!
- adolph 3y agoThat’s only 60% over budget. What takes up the last 40%? Agile project management scrum standup virtual meetings?
- hashtag-til 3y ago40% is taken by managers forwarding e-mails among themselves and generating unnecessary meetings. Or, how Gemini would say... 40% is taken by A DIVERSE SET of managers forwarding e-mails among themselves and generating unnecessary meetings.
- twothamendment 3y agoAs a low paid, part-time intern I finished a project with another low paid, part-time intern. We were supposed to have some FT people on with us, but that never happened so we just kept working. We only had one weekly meeting and it was a challenging project. When it was done we had a lunch/meeting to celebrate and discuss how it went with the project people. They commented that this was the first one that was both under budget and late and wondered how that could be. I volunteered that it was because "we are interns and don't get paid much and it was late because we spent a month waiting for the DBA to correct a mistake he made - we could have been done early." There were shocked faces. Lunch was good and there were not many more questions.
- oceanplexian 3y agoNo one is upset that an algorithm accidentally generated some images, they are upset that Google intentionally designed it to misrepresent reality in the name of Social Justice.
- MadSudaca 3y agoYou mean some people's interpretation of what social justice is.
- Always42 3y agoI am not sure if i should smash the upvote or downvote /s
- mlrtime 3y agoPoe's Law
- aniftythrifrty 3y agoAnd since Oct 7th we've seen those people's masks come completely off.
- meragrin_ 3y agoI'm pretty sure that's what was intended since it was capitalized. > Social Justice.
- Tarragon 3y agoBut also misinterpretations of what the history is. As I write this there's someone laughing at an image of black people in Scotland in the 1800s[1]. Sure, there's a discussion that can be had about a generic request generating an image of a black Nazi. The thing is, to me, complaining about a historically correct example is a good argument for why this kind of thing can be important. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39467206 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39467206
- mattzito 3y ago
- TwoFerMaggie 3y agoIs it just a "silly mistake" though? One could argue that racial & gender biases [0][1] in image recognition are real and this might be a symptom of that. Feels a bit disingenuous to simply chalk it up as something silly. [0] https://sitn.hms.harvard.edu/flash/2020/racial-discrimination-in-face-recognition-technology/ https://sitn.hms.harvard.edu/flash/2020/racial-discriminatio... [1] http://gendershades.org/overview.html http://gendershades.org/overview.html
- program_whiz 3y agoThe real reason is because it shows the heavy "diversity" bias Google has, and this has real implications for a lot of situations because Google is big and for most people a dream job. Understanding that your likelihood of being hired into the most prestigious tech companies is probably hindered if you don't look "diverse" or "female" angers people. This is just one sign/smell of it, and so it causes outrage. Evidence that the overlords who control the internet are censoring images, results, and thoughts that don't conform to "the message" is disturbing. Imagine there was a documentary about Harriet Tubman and it was played by an all-white cast and written by all-white writers. What's there to be upset about? Its just art. Its just photons hitting neurons after all, who cares what the wavelength is? The truth is that it makes people feel their contributions and history aren't being valued, and that has wider implications. Those implications are present because tribalism and zero-sum tactics are the default operating system for humans. We attempt to downplay it, but its always been the only reality. For every diversity admission to university, that means someone else didn't get that entry. For every "promote because female engineer" that means another engineer worked hard for naught. For every white actor cast in the Harriett Tubman movie, there was a black actor/writer who didn't get the part -- so it ultimately comes down to resources and tribalism which are real and concrete, but are represented in these tiny flashpoints.
- aliasxneo 3y ago> Google is big and for most people a dream job I wonder how true this is nowadays. I had my foot out the door after 2016 when things started to get extremely politically internally (company leadership crying on stage after the election results really sealed it for me). Something was lost at that point and it never really returned to the company it was a few years prior.
- oceanplexian 3y agoYou touched on it briefly but a big problem is that it undermines truly talented people who belong to underrepresented groups. Those individuals DO exist, I interview them all the time and they deserve to know they got the offer because they were excellent and passed the bar, not because of a diversity quota.
- dang 3y agoWe detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39465515 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39465515.