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So what's stopping Chinese EV manufacturers from selling in the US? Are the safety regulations so much different from China?

firejake308 3y ago
The biggest factor is import tariffs
- seanmcdirmid 3y ago
  It is a reciprocal import tariff, meaning China charges as much for American imports as we charge for Chinese imports (why BYD had to set up an EV bus in California, and why Tesla setup a factory in Shanghai). Used to work more to China's advantage (protection from American car imports) but now works to its disadvantage (since American car makers are now protected from Chinese imports).
  - londons_explore 3y ago
    Shipping low cost cars is fairly expensive. It might actually make more sense to have 1 assembly factory per continent and just ship parts. Assembling a car is < 1 days labour, so even if you're paying high north American labour rates, it's still cheaper than a spot on a ship from China.
    - seanmcdirmid 3y ago
      BYD is going to set up in North America (like Tesla did). They can setup a factory in Mexico (where they are already selling cars?) just as easily as they can setup in Mississippi. I expect them to eventually setup in a car plant somewhere in an American southern state or Mexico. To avoid the tariff and for shipping reasons. Japan used to make a lot of their USA-bound cars in Japan, even the cheap ones. I guess that is a difference between the 70s and today, though.
- papercrane 3y ago
  There are reports that they're looking to build a factory in Mexico. Likely for that very reason, as then they should be covered by the US-Canada-Mexico free trade agreement.
  - londons_explore 3y ago
    That agreement will get an asterisk added to it shortly before the factory construction is complete...
BirAdam 3y ago
Tariffs. Also, in the USA, there are some rather restrictive laws that require auto makers to use dealerships, so BYD would need to establish relationships with dealerships first. This would raise costs, and knowing how US dealerships are there’d be a 10k markup over MSRP.
- saxonww 3y ago
  Nitpicky but this is not true across the entire US. It varies state by state, and there are over a dozen states with no such restrictions. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla_US_dealership_disputes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla_US_dealership_disputes
  - ProllyInfamous 3y ago
    >"Forty-eight US states have laws that limit or ban manufacturers from selling vehicles directly to consumers" (from your link). De facto US ban, when the supermajority can't do it =P
gizmo 3y ago
Nothing. It's just a matter of scaling up production. Chinese car exports are growing very rapidly. Sure, the US and Europe will try to protect their own industry with tariffs, but China will just respond with tariffs in kind. Ultimately, the manufactures that make the best value cars will win. Chinese exports to Europe have grown 4x in 3 years. https://twitter.com/DivaJain2/status/1700740578873319883/ https://twitter.com/DivaJain2/status/1700740578873319883/
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firejake308 3y ago

The biggest factor is import tariffs

seanmcdirmid 3y ago
It is a reciprocal import tariff, meaning China charges as much for American imports as we charge for Chinese imports (why BYD had to set up an EV bus in California, and why Tesla setup a factory in Shanghai). Used to work more to China's advantage (protection from American car imports) but now works to its disadvantage (since American car makers are now protected from Chinese imports).
- londons_explore 3y ago
  Shipping low cost cars is fairly expensive. It might actually make more sense to have 1 assembly factory per continent and just ship parts. Assembling a car is < 1 days labour, so even if you're paying high north American labour rates, it's still cheaper than a spot on a ship from China.
  - seanmcdirmid 3y ago
    BYD is going to set up in North America (like Tesla did). They can setup a factory in Mexico (where they are already selling cars?) just as easily as they can setup in Mississippi. I expect them to eventually setup in a car plant somewhere in an American southern state or Mexico. To avoid the tariff and for shipping reasons. Japan used to make a lot of their USA-bound cars in Japan, even the cheap ones. I guess that is a difference between the 70s and today, though.
papercrane 3y ago
There are reports that they're looking to build a factory in Mexico. Likely for that very reason, as then they should be covered by the US-Canada-Mexico free trade agreement.
- londons_explore 3y ago
  That agreement will get an asterisk added to it shortly before the factory construction is complete...

BirAdam 3y ago

Tariffs. Also, in the USA, there are some rather restrictive laws that require auto makers to use dealerships, so BYD would need to establish relationships with dealerships first. This would raise costs, and knowing how US dealerships are there’d be a 10k markup over MSRP.

saxonww 3y ago
Nitpicky but this is not true across the entire US. It varies state by state, and there are over a dozen states with no such restrictions. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla_US_dealership_disputes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla_US_dealership_disputes
- ProllyInfamous 3y ago
  >"Forty-eight US states have laws that limit or ban manufacturers from selling vehicles directly to consumers" (from your link). De facto US ban, when the supermajority can't do it =P

gizmo 3y ago

Nothing. It's just a matter of scaling up production. Chinese car exports are growing very rapidly. Sure, the US and Europe will try to protect their own industry with tariffs, but China will just respond with tariffs in kind. Ultimately, the manufactures that make the best value cars will win. Chinese exports to Europe have grown 4x in 3 years. https://twitter.com/DivaJain2/status/1700740578873319883/ https://twitter.com/DivaJain2/status/1700740578873319883/

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