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> It looks like the safety filter may have taken offense to the word “Cocktail”! I'm definitely not a fan of these severely hamstrung by default models. Especi
by dEnigma 3y ago
> It looks like the safety filter may have taken offense to the word “Cocktail”!
I'm definitely not a fan of these severely hamstrung by default models. Especially as it seems to be based on an extremely puritan ethical system.
- riwsky 3y agoFinally, early-aughts 1337 a3s7h37ic can be cool again
- xyzelement 3y agoWe're months into this technology being available so it's not a surprise that the various "safeties" have not been perfectly tuned. Perhaps Google knew they couldn't be perfect right now and they could err on the side of the model refusing to talk about cocktails, or err on the side of it gladly spouting about cocks. They may have made a perfectly valid choice for the moment.
- slimsag 3y agoIf you want a great example of how this plays out long-term, look no further than algospeak[0] - the new lingo created by censorship algorithms like those on youtube and tiktok. [0] https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/19/style/tiktok-avoid-moderators-words.html https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/19/style/tiktok-avoid-modera...
- donw 3y agoChinese have been doing this for years to get around government censorship.
- l33tman 3y agoPaywall
- bowsamic 3y agoIf you are averse to seeing links to paywalled articles you probably shouldn't use HN
- baby 3y agoI personally flag any paywall links, I recommend you do the same.
- visarga 3y agoWhy are we spamming the landing page of paywalled sources? We should completely avoid posting them here, to preserve their bandwidth and our sanity.
- rezonant 3y agoIf you see a comment complaining about a paywall, it's usually a request for someone to archive it for everyone's benefit, and it's usually a request that gets fulfilled.
- l33tman 3y agoYes exactly its kind of implied, and not trying to be rude.. it would help if the person posting the paywalled link also posts an archive link of course!
- bj-rn 3y agohttps://archive.is/tBYVK https://archive.is/tBYVK
- jgilias 3y agoI don’t think it’d take offense at alcohol. Most likely that’s because cocktail rhymes with Molotov.
- Mashimo 3y agoI think it's the COCK in cocktail.
- Cthulhu_ 3y agoScunthorpe problem; I thought an AI should be smart enough to know the difference? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scunthorpe_problem https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scunthorpe_problem
- neuronic 3y agoOne of the faults is that for every version of morality you can hallucinate a reason why cocktail is offensive or problematic. Is it sexual? Is it alcohol? Is it violence? All of the above? For example, good luck ever actually processing art content with that approach. Limiting everything to the lowest common denominator to avoid stepping on anyone's toes at all times is, paradoxically, a bane on everyone. I believe we need to rethink how we deal with ethics and morality in these systems. Obviously, without a priori context every human, actually every living being, should be respected by default and the last thing I would advocate for is to let racism, sexism, etc. go unchecked... But how can we strike a meaningful balance here?
- onion2k 3y agoMost likely that’s because cocktail rhymes with Molotov What definition of 'rhymes' are you using here?
- sethammons 3y agoIt is like a joke saying. Saying something rhymes with something that doesn't actually rhyme is saying that the two things go together and when one hears the first they think the second also
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- baby 3y agoDeeply agree with the sentiment. AIs are so throttled and crippled that it makes me sad every time gemini or chatgpt refuses to answer my questions. Also agree that it’s mostly policed by American companies who follow the American culture of “swearing is bad, nudity is horrible, some words shouldn’t even be said”
- Angostura 3y agoSo how crippled would you like them to be? Would you put any guard rails in place?
- scheeseman486 3y agoThese guard rails might curtail abuse of the web-based applications of these models for a while, but any locally run model can (and in many cases already do) have these protections stripped out of them. I'd like control over what the guard rails do. I'd still use them under most circumstances, there's things I definitely do not want to generate, but if a word filter is getting in my way I'd like the ability to get rid of it.
- ginko 3y agoAssuming the person interacting with it is an adult, does it need any guard rails at all?
- te_chris 3y agoSilicon Valley has been auto-parodic morals-wise for a while. Hell, just the basics of you can have super violent gaming but woe-betide you look at anything sex related in the appstores is intensely comedic. America desperately tries to export its puritanism but most of us just shrug (along with many Americans). Surely it's hard to argue that being open about sex (for consenting adults) is infinitely preferable to a world of wanton, easily accessible violence.
- Cthulhu_ 3y agoAnd it's not even the SV companies themselves per se, it's their partners like credit card companies that will have nothing to with it, citing "think of the children".
- nicbou 3y agoI was fighting with ChatGPT yesterday because it wouldn't translate "fuck". I was quoting Office Space's "PC Load Letter? What the fuck does that mean?" Likewise it won't generate passive-aggressive answers meant for comedic reasons. I hate having to negotiate with AI like it's a difficult child.
- HPsquared 3y agoI wonder, if you put asterisks like 'f***' it would translate that appropriately. Like, as a figleaf.
- geonnave 3y ago> I hate having to negotiate with AI like it's a difficult child. Surely not in the list of things I expected to ever read in real life.
- nicbou 3y agoThat's really how it feels. "ChatGPT, this is a quote from a movie. You don't need to be afraid of it. The man is angry at a printer, and it's funny. Let's just translate it to Pashto, it will take a few seconds and then we go back to simple questions, okay?"