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> And, the killer feature of paper that no digital UI has yet to fully capture is the margin. This is THE reason why, in the year of our LORD 2024, physicians

> And, the killer feature of paper that no digital UI has yet to fully capture is the margin. This is THE reason why, in the year of our LORD 2024, physicians still HATE electronic medical records. Margins, sticky notes, and red ink you can circle anywhere you d~~n well please, not organized data easily parsed during discovery.

BobaFloutist 3y ago
It's not 1:1, but from observing some math professors, tablets with a stylus are a partial solution to this.
- shuntress 3y ago
  Whether or not it is literally hand written is not important. The thing that matters is that it is unstructured.
  - naasking 3y ago
    You can support a structured way to add unstructured data. This can be useful a s a stopgap to understand where the structured data is inadequate, but I can become a hindrance if they don't use the structured data all.
    - RheingoldRiver 3y ago
      This is precisely what MediaWiki tries to do, and it's why I love this software more than anything. You have templates and forms that the user can fill out, but the page is really a piece of paper - outside of the template you can write anything you want at all. With Cargo or Semantic MediaWiki you can even make a database out of the structured parts, and any record always includes the page from which that piece of data originated, so you can link to it to see the full context. MediaWiki won't scale to support billions of records in a database, but for small to medium sized things imo it's perfect.
  - BeFlatXIII 3y ago
    If only hospital systems didn’t force their physicians to use structured data. Administration loves structured data because it is an easy road to hoodwinking a jury into saying it’s professional negligence on part of a physician or plain bad luck on the patient’s part. It makes it easy for the losers who love to point out “see, it’s all right there in the medical record.”
jimbokun 3y ago
With the recent discussion on here about using a massive single text file as a scheduling and planning tool and todo list, and some developers who still carry around a paper notebook to capture notes and ideas, you would think this desire by users of our applications would be better understood.
- imachine1980_ 3y ago
  >recent discussion on here about using a massive single text file as a scheduling and planning tool. I can't find the discussion can you share the link
  - couchand 3y ago
    Here's the article: https://jeffhuang.com/productivity_text_file/ https://jeffhuang.com/productivity_text_file/ It's been submitted a few times for robust discussion, most recently a few days ago.

BobaFloutist 3y ago

It's not 1:1, but from observing some math professors, tablets with a stylus are a partial solution to this.

shuntress 3y ago
Whether or not it is literally hand written is not important. The thing that matters is that it is unstructured.
- naasking 3y ago
  You can support a structured way to add unstructured data. This can be useful a s a stopgap to understand where the structured data is inadequate, but I can become a hindrance if they don't use the structured data all.
  - RheingoldRiver 3y ago
    This is precisely what MediaWiki tries to do, and it's why I love this software more than anything. You have templates and forms that the user can fill out, but the page is really a piece of paper - outside of the template you can write anything you want at all. With Cargo or Semantic MediaWiki you can even make a database out of the structured parts, and any record always includes the page from which that piece of data originated, so you can link to it to see the full context. MediaWiki won't scale to support billions of records in a database, but for small to medium sized things imo it's perfect.
- BeFlatXIII 3y ago
  If only hospital systems didn’t force their physicians to use structured data. Administration loves structured data because it is an easy road to hoodwinking a jury into saying it’s professional negligence on part of a physician or plain bad luck on the patient’s part. It makes it easy for the losers who love to point out “see, it’s all right there in the medical record.”

jimbokun 3y ago

With the recent discussion on here about using a massive single text file as a scheduling and planning tool and todo list, and some developers who still carry around a paper notebook to capture notes and ideas, you would think this desire by users of our applications would be better understood.

imachine1980_ 3y ago
>recent discussion on here about using a massive single text file as a scheduling and planning tool. I can't find the discussion can you share the link
- couchand 3y ago
  Here's the article: https://jeffhuang.com/productivity_text_file/ https://jeffhuang.com/productivity_text_file/ It's been submitted a few times for robust discussion, most recently a few days ago.