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The same happens with Thunderbird. The new UI is a mess I can't find anything now. I fear when the rename K9 mail for Android to Thunderbird they break the UI t

The same happens with Thunderbird. The new UI is a mess I can't find anything now. I fear when the rename K9 mail for Android to Thunderbird they break the UI too.

amelius 3y ago
Rule number #1 of interface design: don't change the interface!
thrdbndndn 3y ago
It's (almost) every major software. I mainly use Chrome, and in their newest M121 release they made not one, but three major UI changes and I hate every single one of them. For the curious, they are (together with my rant): 1. the new "simplified" bookmark save flow which is more complicated than the old one; 2. loss of the ability to disable system notification (i.e. to use Chrome's built-in one, which I prefer); 3. loss of the ability to disable "copy to highlight" context menu option via a command line argument, which I never use and it just messes up my muscle memory for right click -> copy.* * Seriously, why is it so tough for software in the CURRENT YEAR to just offer fully customizable context menus? How hard is that? Funnily enough, this used to be a staple feature in nearly all the popular freeware back in the 2000s and 2010s. It feels like the whole UI/UX scene has taken a nosedive lately.
- encom 3y ago
  >fully customizable context menus? How hard is that? It's not hard at all, Vivaldi does it. I consider Vivaldi the least worst browser.
- KTibow 3y ago
  If I had to guess why they might not let you customize it - the people who make the software don't know or don't care about the other way you want it - it adds a bit more complexity / sometimes code debt to let that thing be customized - the design might be a specific way that they don't want to change
- DonHopkins 3y ago
  Simon Schneegan's "Kandu" cross platform pie menus, as well as his older "Fly-Pie" and "Gnome-Pie" projects, let you create and edit your own pie menus with a WYSIWYG drag-and-drop direct manipulation interface. Kando: The Cross-Platform Pie Menu (github.com/kando-menu) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39206966 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39206966 https://github.com/kando-menu/kando https://github.com/kando-menu/kando A first glimpse at Kando's Menu Editor! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLJ1-z9i3cI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLJ1-z9i3cI Development Update for Kando's Menu Editor! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FIF6k9OxQ80 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FIF6k9OxQ80 Item labels in Fly-Pie! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yyl5nMPI1f0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yyl5nMPI1f0 Fly-Pie 10: A new Clipboard Menu, proper touch support & much more! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGXtckqhEIk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGXtckqhEIk Fly-Pie 7: GNOME Shell 40+ and a new WYSIWYG Menu Editor! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRT3O9-H5Xs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRT3O9-H5Xs Gnome-Pie https://vimeo.com/30618179 https://vimeo.com/30618179 Gnome-Pie 0.4 (12 years ago) https://vimeo.com/35385121 https://vimeo.com/35385121 https://schneegans.github.io/gnome-pie https://schneegans.github.io/gnome-pie
atomicfiredoll 3y ago
I recently got fed up with Gmail and downloaded Thunderbird, which I haven't used in a looong time. I was wildly disappointed by the modern incarnation. The lack of checkboxes feels mind boggling... I still feel like I must be not grasping something. Sometimes one of my hands isn't on my mouse or keyboard, but the interface felt like it constantly demanded I use both together (e.g. shift+click) to get things done. I ended up cleaning my inbox with the Gmail web interface. Despite my gripes, at the end of the day Gmail was just better and more efficient at it. Maybe it's nostalgia, but it legitimately feels like a 15 year old version of Outlook would run circles around Thunderbird's UI. This is painting with a broad brush, but coming from a background that included design, I've honestly come to resent modern UX designers. There are great ones, but there are also ones who are more interested in the design than the user and who ignore or bend the user data to support their (sometimes wild) opinions.

The same happens with Thunderbird. The new UI is a mess I can't find anything now. I fear when the rename K9 mail for Android to Thunderbird they break the UI too.

amelius 3y ago

Rule number #1 of interface design: don't change the interface!

thrdbndndn 3y ago

It's (almost) every major software. I mainly use Chrome, and in their newest M121 release they made not one, but three major UI changes and I hate every single one of them. For the curious, they are (together with my rant): 1. the new "simplified" bookmark save flow which is more complicated than the old one; 2. loss of the ability to disable system notification (i.e. to use Chrome's built-in one, which I prefer); 3. loss of the ability to disable "copy to highlight" context menu option via a command line argument, which I never use and it just messes up my muscle memory for right click -> copy.* * Seriously, why is it so tough for software in the CURRENT YEAR to just offer fully customizable context menus? How hard is that? Funnily enough, this used to be a staple feature in nearly all the popular freeware back in the 2000s and 2010s. It feels like the whole UI/UX scene has taken a nosedive lately.

encom 3y ago
>fully customizable context menus? How hard is that? It's not hard at all, Vivaldi does it. I consider Vivaldi the least worst browser.
KTibow 3y ago
If I had to guess why they might not let you customize it - the people who make the software don't know or don't care about the other way you want it - it adds a bit more complexity / sometimes code debt to let that thing be customized - the design might be a specific way that they don't want to change
DonHopkins 3y ago
Simon Schneegan's "Kandu" cross platform pie menus, as well as his older "Fly-Pie" and "Gnome-Pie" projects, let you create and edit your own pie menus with a WYSIWYG drag-and-drop direct manipulation interface. Kando: The Cross-Platform Pie Menu (github.com/kando-menu) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39206966 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39206966 https://github.com/kando-menu/kando https://github.com/kando-menu/kando A first glimpse at Kando's Menu Editor! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLJ1-z9i3cI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLJ1-z9i3cI Development Update for Kando's Menu Editor! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FIF6k9OxQ80 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FIF6k9OxQ80 Item labels in Fly-Pie! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yyl5nMPI1f0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yyl5nMPI1f0 Fly-Pie 10: A new Clipboard Menu, proper touch support & much more! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGXtckqhEIk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGXtckqhEIk Fly-Pie 7: GNOME Shell 40+ and a new WYSIWYG Menu Editor! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRT3O9-H5Xs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRT3O9-H5Xs Gnome-Pie https://vimeo.com/30618179 https://vimeo.com/30618179 Gnome-Pie 0.4 (12 years ago) https://vimeo.com/35385121 https://vimeo.com/35385121 https://schneegans.github.io/gnome-pie https://schneegans.github.io/gnome-pie

atomicfiredoll 3y ago

I recently got fed up with Gmail and downloaded Thunderbird, which I haven't used in a looong time. I was wildly disappointed by the modern incarnation. The lack of checkboxes feels mind boggling... I still feel like I must be not grasping something. Sometimes one of my hands isn't on my mouse or keyboard, but the interface felt like it constantly demanded I use both together (e.g. shift+click) to get things done. I ended up cleaning my inbox with the Gmail web interface. Despite my gripes, at the end of the day Gmail was just better and more efficient at it. Maybe it's nostalgia, but it legitimately feels like a 15 year old version of Outlook would run circles around Thunderbird's UI. This is painting with a broad brush, but coming from a background that included design, I've honestly come to resent modern UX designers. There are great ones, but there are also ones who are more interested in the design than the user and who ignore or bend the user data to support their (sometimes wild) opinions.