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> Legally in the United States you wouldn’t be able to do this with Apple today when applying that law because Apple does not have monopolistic market share Th

> Legally in the United States you wouldn’t be able to do this with Apple today when applying that law because Apple does not have monopolistic market share That depends on how you define a market. Apple has a monopoly on app distribution to iOS devices. The argument for defining it like is is persuasive because in the Microsoft case you could at least install an OS from another vendor. You can't do that with an iPhone. Your only relief is to buy a new phone from a different manufacturer.

nodamage 3y ago
Market analysis under US antitrust law doesn't work that way. You don't just get to choose an arbitrarily narrow market such that a single competitor by definition owns 100% of it, otherwise plaintiffs would basically never lose in court. Market analysis is done by examining actual consumer behaviors, and in general, markets comprised of a single competitor are not permitted by the courts in antitrust cases (unless specific exceptions are met).
- Zuiii 3y ago
  Sounds to me like US antitrust laws are currently deficient and need to be updated.
- simfree 3y ago
  Apple owns 70% of the mobile device market in the US, and is the exclusive app distribution channel on the that platform. Web Apps do not work right (especially when compared to the other major mobile platform) and Apple is making little effort to improve the viability of this potential channel, instead choosing to delete web push tokens every week or so amongst other sabotage of web applications, while these same web applications work just fine on the other platforms that support web apps.
  - seanmcdirmid 3y ago
    58% as of December 2023. See https://explodingtopics.com/blog/iphone-android-users https://explodingtopics.com/blog/iphone-android-users Not sure where you are getting 70% from, that seems way too high. They do, however, make around 80-90% if the profits in the market.

nodamage 3y ago

Market analysis under US antitrust law doesn't work that way. You don't just get to choose an arbitrarily narrow market such that a single competitor by definition owns 100% of it, otherwise plaintiffs would basically never lose in court. Market analysis is done by examining actual consumer behaviors, and in general, markets comprised of a single competitor are not permitted by the courts in antitrust cases (unless specific exceptions are met).

Zuiii 3y ago
Sounds to me like US antitrust laws are currently deficient and need to be updated.
simfree 3y ago
Apple owns 70% of the mobile device market in the US, and is the exclusive app distribution channel on the that platform. Web Apps do not work right (especially when compared to the other major mobile platform) and Apple is making little effort to improve the viability of this potential channel, instead choosing to delete web push tokens every week or so amongst other sabotage of web applications, while these same web applications work just fine on the other platforms that support web apps.
- seanmcdirmid 3y ago
  58% as of December 2023. See https://explodingtopics.com/blog/iphone-android-users https://explodingtopics.com/blog/iphone-android-users Not sure where you are getting 70% from, that seems way too high. They do, however, make around 80-90% if the profits in the market.