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Precisely. Stop supporting iOS and watch their attitude change. Fact is these companies whine but don’t pull their apps.

djfdat 3y ago
Because their hands are pretty much tied. That's called monopoly position.
- stephen_g 3y ago
  It’s not a monopoly position by any legal (or really even useful) definition. In the EU they are 24% or so of phone shipments… This is more a “we want money from those users because they’re mostly rich” situations…
  - ufocia 3y ago
    I agree that they should make it more of a luxury item in the EU and avoid all of this monopoly talk. If Apple were Bugatti we wouldn't be talking about it.
    - amelius 3y ago
      > If Apple were Bugatti we wouldn't be talking about it. Yeah, because only 0.001% of people would own one. Bugatti is orders of magnitude more luxury than Apple, if you look at ownership percentage; also there are many car brands versus very few OS brands; some Samsung flipphones are more expensive and in some ways more luxurious than iPhones; the comparison is silly.
- tristor 3y ago
  Apple doesn’t have a monopoly position by any base measure. What it has is a monopoly on is high income and wealthy users, and these are the most valuable users for all the companies complaining. They want to have their cake and eat it too. The majority of people in the world use Android not Apple. The majority of the people in the world are also poor and not good marketing targets. These two groups have a Venn diagram that’s nearly a perfect circle.
  - amelius 3y ago
    Yes, but EU trade committee members are also in that Venn diagram somewhere ;)
szasamasa 3y ago
it is wishful thinking, if you pull spotify people will use another app on iOS... the way forward is alternative app sotres, the web as an app store etc... competition more exciting is visionOS, I hope Netflix and co. NEVER make native apps and force Apple to support web browser based solutions

djfdat 3y ago

Because their hands are pretty much tied. That's called monopoly position.

stephen_g 3y ago
It’s not a monopoly position by any legal (or really even useful) definition. In the EU they are 24% or so of phone shipments… This is more a “we want money from those users because they’re mostly rich” situations…
- ufocia 3y ago
  I agree that they should make it more of a luxury item in the EU and avoid all of this monopoly talk. If Apple were Bugatti we wouldn't be talking about it.
  - amelius 3y ago
    > If Apple were Bugatti we wouldn't be talking about it. Yeah, because only 0.001% of people would own one. Bugatti is orders of magnitude more luxury than Apple, if you look at ownership percentage; also there are many car brands versus very few OS brands; some Samsung flipphones are more expensive and in some ways more luxurious than iPhones; the comparison is silly.
tristor 3y ago
Apple doesn’t have a monopoly position by any base measure. What it has is a monopoly on is high income and wealthy users, and these are the most valuable users for all the companies complaining. They want to have their cake and eat it too. The majority of people in the world use Android not Apple. The majority of the people in the world are also poor and not good marketing targets. These two groups have a Venn diagram that’s nearly a perfect circle.
- amelius 3y ago
  Yes, but EU trade committee members are also in that Venn diagram somewhere ;)

szasamasa 3y ago

it is wishful thinking, if you pull spotify people will use another app on iOS... the way forward is alternative app sotres, the web as an app store etc... competition more exciting is visionOS, I hope Netflix and co. NEVER make native apps and force Apple to support web browser based solutions