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Signal, Spotify... Find an average (non tech) IOS user, and try to get them to switch to these apps. Im guessing that there is a large intersection of "apple

Signal, Spotify... Find an average (non tech) IOS user, and try to get them to switch to these apps. Im guessing that there is a large intersection of "apple users" who also take their cars back to the dealership for oil changes and service. It's not stupidity, it's about creating an air of trust. Apple goes out of its way to keep customers trust (as do car dealers to an extent) because the money is in keeping a customer. As an aside, the source of this complaint being Spotify is interesting. I would love to know from artist who pays better between the two (because I dont think its spottify)

matwood 3y ago
There have been stories that Apple pays near the top of any streamers. How much of that gets to an artist remains a question.
- withinboredom 3y ago
  Probably because they don't have to pay themselves a 30% tax.
  - matwood 3y ago
    Spotify doesn't allow in-app sign ups, so they don't pay 30% either. Try again.
    - withinboredom 3y ago
      Where does spotify fit in here? If apple had to comply with it's own rules, do you think they would be able to continue to pay out more than the competition?
ksec 3y ago
At least before 2023, one could argue Spotify were paying 15% of their revenue to Apple on iOS hence they pay less to artist. Not too sure about 2024
- JustExAWS 3y ago
  Spotify hasn’t allowed in app purchases of subscriptions in a decade.
drooopy 3y ago
According to reports, Apple pays the most to artists. But Apple also has the luxury of not having to pay a 30% commision fee to another company every time someone buys a subscription or a track via Apple music.
- FireBeyond 3y ago
  That's not true, at least per stream. TIDAL is actually the most artist friendly, and it's not even close: > Compared to Spotify, Apple Music pays a higher rate per stream. The exact amount varies from $0.006 to $0.008 per stream. > Tidal, a high-fidelity music streaming service, pays artists one of the highest rates per stream, ranging from $0.0125 to $0.015 per stream. Source: https://www.lalal.ai/blog/music-streaming-payouts-2023/ https://www.lalal.ai/blog/music-streaming-payouts-2023/ > Tidal also says its HiFi Plus tier pays significantly higher royalties per stream than its rivals, "at least 50% or more vs the regular rate across the four largest streaming services,” Source: https://www.loudersound.com/features/which-music-streaming-service-pays-artists-the-most#section-which-streaming-service-pays-artists-the-most-tidal https://www.loudersound.com/features/which-music-streaming-s... Also: https://producerhive.com/music-marketing-tips/streaming-royalties-breakdown/ https://producerhive.com/music-marketing-tips/streaming-roya... > Let’s start with the elephant in the room. On average, Tidal pays $0.01 per stream, which is way above the $0.003/0.005 offered by Spotify. > Though Tidal’s service being more profitable for artists is worth praising, the remuneration itself is not the biggest issue here, as it’s the way the revenue streams are distributed among artists. > Spotify pays artists pro-rata, meaning they calculate the total streams within the platform and estimate the proportion each artist should receive. > This model greatly favors prominent artists, often leaving independent musicians with mere cents even when they have a loyal and active fanbase.
jwells89 3y ago
I use Signal with a couple people but it’s not really set up for mass traction so I don’t expect it to become my primary messenger any time soon. If I were to switch streaming services, Spotify would be dead last on my list, because they’re hypocritical — they pushed out third party devs building alternative players for paying users by deprecating libspotify, refuse to support interop with anything that’s not a Spotify Connect device (HomePod for example supports third party streaming, yet Spotify won’t use the APIs), have treated their users terribly with incessant AB tests and pushing content unrelated to music in their faces, and have spent a ridiculous amount of money trying to lock up and monetize what was previously the most democratic and available medium (podcasts). At least Apple Music allows third party players and tries to support other ecosystems (Android + Chromecast).
troupo 3y ago
> Find an average (non tech) IOS user, and try to get them to switch to these apps You do know that Spotify has 600 million users? And that it got those users without practices like pushing its app in phone setup, account setup, settings, home screen, default music app, default music app in carplay etc.? > As an aside, the source of this complaint being Spotify is interesting. I would love to know from artist who pays better between the two (because I dont think its spottify) Neither pays artists directly. They pay money to rights holders. Why no one ever questions the rights holders is beyond my comprehension at this point.
- DavidPastrnak 3y ago
  > Why no one ever questions the rights holders is beyond my comprehension at this point. I imagine most people either don’t care or don’t know this.
crossroadsguy 3y ago
> Signal, Spotify... > Find an average (non tech) IOS user, and try to get them to switch to these apps. Interesting take :) - the average user doesn’t even use Signal anywhere, let alone an average non-tech iOS user - As for Spotify, you must mention geography (I guess that’s USA you meant) - because in some geographies Apple Music might not even be the third music app on an iPhone

matwood 3y ago

There have been stories that Apple pays near the top of any streamers. How much of that gets to an artist remains a question.

withinboredom 3y ago
Probably because they don't have to pay themselves a 30% tax.
- matwood 3y ago
  Spotify doesn't allow in-app sign ups, so they don't pay 30% either. Try again.
  - withinboredom 3y ago
    Where does spotify fit in here? If apple had to comply with it's own rules, do you think they would be able to continue to pay out more than the competition?

ksec 3y ago

At least before 2023, one could argue Spotify were paying 15% of their revenue to Apple on iOS hence they pay less to artist. Not too sure about 2024

JustExAWS 3y ago
Spotify hasn’t allowed in app purchases of subscriptions in a decade.

drooopy 3y ago

According to reports, Apple pays the most to artists. But Apple also has the luxury of not having to pay a 30% commision fee to another company every time someone buys a subscription or a track via Apple music.

FireBeyond 3y ago
That's not true, at least per stream. TIDAL is actually the most artist friendly, and it's not even close: > Compared to Spotify, Apple Music pays a higher rate per stream. The exact amount varies from $0.006 to $0.008 per stream. > Tidal, a high-fidelity music streaming service, pays artists one of the highest rates per stream, ranging from $0.0125 to $0.015 per stream. Source: https://www.lalal.ai/blog/music-streaming-payouts-2023/ https://www.lalal.ai/blog/music-streaming-payouts-2023/ > Tidal also says its HiFi Plus tier pays significantly higher royalties per stream than its rivals, "at least 50% or more vs the regular rate across the four largest streaming services,” Source: https://www.loudersound.com/features/which-music-streaming-service-pays-artists-the-most#section-which-streaming-service-pays-artists-the-most-tidal https://www.loudersound.com/features/which-music-streaming-s... Also: https://producerhive.com/music-marketing-tips/streaming-royalties-breakdown/ https://producerhive.com/music-marketing-tips/streaming-roya... > Let’s start with the elephant in the room. On average, Tidal pays $0.01 per stream, which is way above the $0.003/0.005 offered by Spotify. > Though Tidal’s service being more profitable for artists is worth praising, the remuneration itself is not the biggest issue here, as it’s the way the revenue streams are distributed among artists. > Spotify pays artists pro-rata, meaning they calculate the total streams within the platform and estimate the proportion each artist should receive. > This model greatly favors prominent artists, often leaving independent musicians with mere cents even when they have a loyal and active fanbase.

jwells89 3y ago

I use Signal with a couple people but it’s not really set up for mass traction so I don’t expect it to become my primary messenger any time soon. If I were to switch streaming services, Spotify would be dead last on my list, because they’re hypocritical — they pushed out third party devs building alternative players for paying users by deprecating libspotify, refuse to support interop with anything that’s not a Spotify Connect device (HomePod for example supports third party streaming, yet Spotify won’t use the APIs), have treated their users terribly with incessant AB tests and pushing content unrelated to music in their faces, and have spent a ridiculous amount of money trying to lock up and monetize what was previously the most democratic and available medium (podcasts). At least Apple Music allows third party players and tries to support other ecosystems (Android + Chromecast).

troupo 3y ago

> Find an average (non tech) IOS user, and try to get them to switch to these apps You do know that Spotify has 600 million users? And that it got those users without practices like pushing its app in phone setup, account setup, settings, home screen, default music app, default music app in carplay etc.? > As an aside, the source of this complaint being Spotify is interesting. I would love to know from artist who pays better between the two (because I dont think its spottify) Neither pays artists directly. They pay money to rights holders. Why no one ever questions the rights holders is beyond my comprehension at this point.

DavidPastrnak 3y ago
> Why no one ever questions the rights holders is beyond my comprehension at this point. I imagine most people either don’t care or don’t know this.

crossroadsguy 3y ago

> Signal, Spotify... > Find an average (non tech) IOS user, and try to get them to switch to these apps. Interesting take :) - the average user doesn’t even use Signal anywhere, let alone an average non-tech iOS user - As for Spotify, you must mention geography (I guess that’s USA you meant) - because in some geographies Apple Music might not even be the third music app on an iPhone