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Another point: there many more senior+staff engineer roles than EM roles. Once you become an EM, it's much harder to make a switch, because: a) the roles are f
by shubhamjain 3y ago
Another point: there many more senior+staff engineer roles than EM roles. Once you become an EM, it's much harder to make a switch, because:
a) the roles are fewer
b) companies are wary of bringing in an EM for a team (prefer to promote within the ranks, in my experience).
c) switching from EM to a senior engineer role is hard both because it feels like a downgrade and because I see companies not that willing to offer it.
Of course, if the company is on the right course, you've hit a jackpot and can become an important leader few years down the line, but I know many EMs who are trapped in a bad org because of this. I believe engineers transitioning to a management role should keep these things in mind. I prefer making less bucks and keep my peace of mind about moving somewhere else.
- sorokod 3y agocompanies are wary of bringing in an EM for a team (prefer to promote within the ranks, in my experience) In Band of Brothers TV series there is a plot line where an NCO is promoted to be an officer. Soon after he is moved to a different unit because the Army has a policy to distance such promotions from their organic units.
- whiplash451 3y agoI’ve literally never seen this happen in the tech world
- sorokod 3y agoNeither have I but it is an interesting point to consider - to what extent is the EMs thinking biased by their previous experience of the team as an engineer.
- Fripplebubby 3y agoDoesn't this seem like a useful bias to have?
- sorokod 3y agoThe word bias has a negative connotation so perhaps you mean something else. Given two EMs, one that came organically from a team and another that came "from the outside" and spent a few months working with a team - what advantages and disadvantages would the first EM have over the second?
- zeroonetwothree 3y agoIME internally promoted EMs are 4x better. They understand what problems the team is facing, how the product works, the various interactions with other teams, and the company processes. It takes at least a year for an external hire to ramp up to that level of familiarity. I will say that for very dysfunctional teams it could be valuable to get an outside perspective which can do more severe change but hopefully this is less common.
- mlrtime 3y agoNote, almost happened to me. My team's EM left, I said I would take his place even though I had no real desire to become EM. I'd rather just do it than bring in someone from the outside because our team was great. Well, as soon as HRBP found out I would become a EM, suddenly there were 2 other areas that needed EMs much more than our team. (As we were very functional). I made a condition that I would become EM only for our team and did not desire to lead others I didn't know.
- ajmurmann 3y agoI find it bizarre that HR would be involved in this at all. I'm glad I've only been a manager at places where HR pretty much functioned as a consultant available to management.
- deutschepost 3y agoAlso there is a comment by Major Winters that this is a stupid rule, because Lipton is one of the best and most respected platoon leads in the company.
- sorokod 3y agoTrue, Winters indeed said that but the interesting question is why would the Army have such a policy in the first place (I assume that here as in other things BoB sticks to the realities of the time).