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"Military spending no." Country Military EU Total 49,67 United States 42,22 Germany 17,70 United Kingdom 9,12 Denma

"Military spending no." Country Military EU Total 49,67 United States 42,22 Germany 17,70 United Kingdom 9,12 Denmark 8,40 Netherlands 4,44 Norway 3,80 Poland 3,00 And if we take % of GDP the US looks worse on military aid. And if we take % of military budget, the US is last on the list.

bitcurious 3y ago
I’m not sure how the calculations work in other countries, but the US was/is heavily depreciating its donations, and funding/facilitating a much of European donations.
- lumost 3y ago
  There's also ring trades where the us donates surplus gear to European countries to get them to donate hardware to Ukraine - somewhat inflating tallies. Greece got several c-130s in expectation that they would donate 152mm ammunition.
  - KingOfCoders 3y ago
    Yes, and Germany has ring-traded a lot of military equipment, e.g. several dozens of Leopard 2 tanks. Sure about the 152mm? Not 155mm?
    - Arrath 3y ago
      > Sure about the 152mm? Not 155mm? I'd have to double check but its quite likely. 152mm being the popular Soviet/WP large artillery caliber which Ukraine no doubt has (or had, at the beginning) a lot of legacy Soviet-era heavy artillery.
      - KingOfCoders 3y ago
        Did some searching, didn't find anything. The only thing I could find about Greece is Germany giving 40 Marder APCs to Greece so Greece could give 40 BMP-1 to Ukraine.
- zer00eyz 3y ago
  https://www.defenseone.com/business/2023/11/race-make-artillery-shells-us-eu-see-different-results/392288/ https://www.defenseone.com/business/2023/11/race-make-artill... It's more messed up than that. The ROI on US dollars vs Euros is stupefying. There has been a fairly significant spend IN the us retooling for this war. The ramp up of 155 production ISNT aid to Ukraine but is going to benefit them. And I called out 155 for a reason, the ebb and flow of it has been at the forefront of Ukraine being successful or failing. It is the the most consistently asked for and consumed large item as it in combination with drones has proven effective beyond anyones expectations.
sekai 3y ago
And this is chart is missing EU strongest military - France, they do not announce all the support they give for strategic reasons.
- actionfromafar 3y ago
  Could the strategic reason be to avoid explaining why they give so little?
  - dragontamer 3y ago
    Unlikely. The Caesar artillery systems are large, expensive and well publicized. They need USAs 155mm production the most. the fact that we cut off our specialty is ridiculous.
- phtrivier 3y ago
  France published a list of equipment they sent to Ukraine, about an hour ago [1] [1] https://www.lemonde.fr/international/live/2024/02/16/en-direct-guerre-en-ukraine-la-france-dresse-pour-la-premiere-fois-l-inventaire-des-armes-fournies-a-kiev_6215933_3210.html?#id-1387836 https://www.lemonde.fr/international/live/2024/02/16/en-dire... Quoting and translating the best I can (any translation error is mine): Ground - Air SAMP-T : 1 system and ASTER 30 missiles CROTALE NG : 2 systems and some missiles MISTRAL : 5 systems and hundreds of missiles RADAR : 1 GM 200 Air - Ground SCALP : about a hundred missiles A2SM : several hundred bombs starting in February 2024 Artillery CAESAR : 30 canons and tens of thousands of munitions TRF1 : 6 canons and tens of thousands of munitions LRU : 4 systems and hundreds rockets Armoured and liaison vehicules AMX 10 RC: 38 AMX 10 RC and tens of thousands of 105mm shells VAB: 250 (including VAB SAN) VLTT P4: 120 vehicles MILAN: 17 launch positions and hundreds of missiles Engineering and small arms Anti-tank rockets: several thousand Anti-tank mines: several thousand Assault rifles: several thousand 12.7mm machine guns: several hundred Other ammunition: several million Aerial domain Drones: several hundred reconnaissance drones and small tactical drones Jet fuel: tens of thousands of cubic meters No idea how important / relevant it is. Just posting
kurthr 3y ago
Um, so the UK has rejoined the EU? I'm mean it's a nitpick, but you're kinda nitpicking.
- KingOfCoders 3y ago
  Not sure where I wrote that the UK is part of the EU. EU Total 49,67 United States 42,22 Then there is a list of countries, like the US, some EU countries and the UK. The entry "EU Total" is not the sum of these countries. With the argument, the list implies the UK being part of the EU b/c it is listed below, would be the same as the "United States" are part of the EU, because it is listed below.
dilyevsky 3y ago
You’re counting UK but not Canada in the EU?

bitcurious 3y ago

I’m not sure how the calculations work in other countries, but the US was/is heavily depreciating its donations, and funding/facilitating a much of European donations.

lumost 3y ago
There's also ring trades where the us donates surplus gear to European countries to get them to donate hardware to Ukraine - somewhat inflating tallies. Greece got several c-130s in expectation that they would donate 152mm ammunition.
- KingOfCoders 3y ago
  Yes, and Germany has ring-traded a lot of military equipment, e.g. several dozens of Leopard 2 tanks. Sure about the 152mm? Not 155mm?
  - Arrath 3y ago
    > Sure about the 152mm? Not 155mm? I'd have to double check but its quite likely. 152mm being the popular Soviet/WP large artillery caliber which Ukraine no doubt has (or had, at the beginning) a lot of legacy Soviet-era heavy artillery.
    - KingOfCoders 3y ago
      Did some searching, didn't find anything. The only thing I could find about Greece is Germany giving 40 Marder APCs to Greece so Greece could give 40 BMP-1 to Ukraine.
zer00eyz 3y ago
https://www.defenseone.com/business/2023/11/race-make-artillery-shells-us-eu-see-different-results/392288/ https://www.defenseone.com/business/2023/11/race-make-artill... It's more messed up than that. The ROI on US dollars vs Euros is stupefying. There has been a fairly significant spend IN the us retooling for this war. The ramp up of 155 production ISNT aid to Ukraine but is going to benefit them. And I called out 155 for a reason, the ebb and flow of it has been at the forefront of Ukraine being successful or failing. It is the the most consistently asked for and consumed large item as it in combination with drones has proven effective beyond anyones expectations.

sekai 3y ago

And this is chart is missing EU strongest military - France, they do not announce all the support they give for strategic reasons.

actionfromafar 3y ago
Could the strategic reason be to avoid explaining why they give so little?
- dragontamer 3y ago
  Unlikely. The Caesar artillery systems are large, expensive and well publicized. They need USAs 155mm production the most. the fact that we cut off our specialty is ridiculous.
phtrivier 3y ago
France published a list of equipment they sent to Ukraine, about an hour ago [1] [1] https://www.lemonde.fr/international/live/2024/02/16/en-direct-guerre-en-ukraine-la-france-dresse-pour-la-premiere-fois-l-inventaire-des-armes-fournies-a-kiev_6215933_3210.html?#id-1387836 https://www.lemonde.fr/international/live/2024/02/16/en-dire... Quoting and translating the best I can (any translation error is mine): Ground - Air SAMP-T : 1 system and ASTER 30 missiles CROTALE NG : 2 systems and some missiles MISTRAL : 5 systems and hundreds of missiles RADAR : 1 GM 200 Air - Ground SCALP : about a hundred missiles A2SM : several hundred bombs starting in February 2024 Artillery CAESAR : 30 canons and tens of thousands of munitions TRF1 : 6 canons and tens of thousands of munitions LRU : 4 systems and hundreds rockets Armoured and liaison vehicules AMX 10 RC: 38 AMX 10 RC and tens of thousands of 105mm shells VAB: 250 (including VAB SAN) VLTT P4: 120 vehicles MILAN: 17 launch positions and hundreds of missiles Engineering and small arms Anti-tank rockets: several thousand Anti-tank mines: several thousand Assault rifles: several thousand 12.7mm machine guns: several hundred Other ammunition: several million Aerial domain Drones: several hundred reconnaissance drones and small tactical drones Jet fuel: tens of thousands of cubic meters No idea how important / relevant it is. Just posting

kurthr 3y ago

Um, so the UK has rejoined the EU? I'm mean it's a nitpick, but you're kinda nitpicking.

KingOfCoders 3y ago
Not sure where I wrote that the UK is part of the EU. EU Total 49,67 United States 42,22 Then there is a list of countries, like the US, some EU countries and the UK. The entry "EU Total" is not the sum of these countries. With the argument, the list implies the UK being part of the EU b/c it is listed below, would be the same as the "United States" are part of the EU, because it is listed below.

dilyevsky 3y ago

You’re counting UK but not Canada in the EU?