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As I've said, when the Suwałki Gap falls and the US stands by - and the US will under Trump - sentiments will turn 180°. Poland hoped the UK would safe them fr

As I've said, when the Suwałki Gap falls and the US stands by - and the US will under Trump - sentiments will turn 180°. Poland hoped the UK would safe them from Germany and Russia and was betrayed. Poland now hopes the US would safe them from Russia, and they will be betrayed.

selimthegrim 3y ago
Trump can forget about the upper Midwest Polish vote then
- disgruntledphd2 3y ago
  Once he's President then he probably won't care.
  - shagie 3y ago
    "Once"? "Probably"? https://www.cnn.com/2024/02/13/politics/fact-check-trump-nato/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2024/02/13/politics/fact-check-trump-nat... He hasn't cared previously, and more recently... https://apnews.com/article/trump-backlash-nato-funding-russia-ukraine-796f245e06d1a0f314e3b4bfdb793cc0 https://apnews.com/article/trump-backlash-nato-funding-russi... > Speaking at a campaign rally in South Carolina, he retold the story of his alleged conversation with the head of a NATO member country that had not met its obligations. This time, though, he left out the line that drew the most outrage — encouraging Russia “to do whatever the hell they want.” > “Look, if they’re not going to pay, we’re not going to protect. OK?” he said Wednesday.
    - disgruntledphd2 3y ago
      With respect to the Polish midwest voters, given that it'll be his last term he definitely won't care about them anymore.
hackandthink 3y ago
There is a name for it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_betrayal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_betrayal
Wytwwww 3y ago
> UK would safe them from Germany and Russia and was betrayed The balance of power is not even remotely similar to what it was back in 1939. Even if we ignore the economy and armament production modern Russia has severe demographic issues it barely has enough manpower to wage a full-scale war in Ukraine (considering the massive casualty rate, more in a single year than US lost during the 15 years in Vietnam and Russia has many times smaller conscriptable population than the US had back then). How could they ever open a "second front" in the Baltics? Back in 1940 the allies were extremely underprepared materially (mainly the British, the French had an army that could certainly compete with Germany on paper, but they were much too conservative (and in hindsight run by incompetent morons)). It's not like they consciously decided to just abandon Poland outright, the allies expected it to hold out much longer and very way too slow and indecisive to do anything. Then they somehow managed to lose Norway against all odds and the same thing repeated in France. Stuff like that simply can't happen in modern warfare (as the Russian attempt to capture Kiev has proven)..

selimthegrim 3y ago

Trump can forget about the upper Midwest Polish vote then

disgruntledphd2 3y ago
Once he's President then he probably won't care.
- shagie 3y ago
  "Once"? "Probably"? https://www.cnn.com/2024/02/13/politics/fact-check-trump-nato/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2024/02/13/politics/fact-check-trump-nat... He hasn't cared previously, and more recently... https://apnews.com/article/trump-backlash-nato-funding-russia-ukraine-796f245e06d1a0f314e3b4bfdb793cc0 https://apnews.com/article/trump-backlash-nato-funding-russi... > Speaking at a campaign rally in South Carolina, he retold the story of his alleged conversation with the head of a NATO member country that had not met its obligations. This time, though, he left out the line that drew the most outrage — encouraging Russia “to do whatever the hell they want.” > “Look, if they’re not going to pay, we’re not going to protect. OK?” he said Wednesday.
  - disgruntledphd2 3y ago
    With respect to the Polish midwest voters, given that it'll be his last term he definitely won't care about them anymore.

hackandthink 3y ago

There is a name for it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_betrayal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_betrayal

Wytwwww 3y ago

> UK would safe them from Germany and Russia and was betrayed The balance of power is not even remotely similar to what it was back in 1939. Even if we ignore the economy and armament production modern Russia has severe demographic issues it barely has enough manpower to wage a full-scale war in Ukraine (considering the massive casualty rate, more in a single year than US lost during the 15 years in Vietnam and Russia has many times smaller conscriptable population than the US had back then). How could they ever open a "second front" in the Baltics? Back in 1940 the allies were extremely underprepared materially (mainly the British, the French had an army that could certainly compete with Germany on paper, but they were much too conservative (and in hindsight run by incompetent morons)). It's not like they consciously decided to just abandon Poland outright, the allies expected it to hold out much longer and very way too slow and indecisive to do anything. Then they somehow managed to lose Norway against all odds and the same thing repeated in France. Stuff like that simply can't happen in modern warfare (as the Russian attempt to capture Kiev has proven)..