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> US has relevant party that is now openly pro-Putin What relevant party in the US is openly pro-Putin?

The_Colonel 3y ago
Recently Trump said that if Putin invaded Europe, he (Trump) "would encourage Russia to do whatever the hell they wanted to you". It's not full pro-Russia yet, but he's certainly moving in that direction. Unfortunately, Trump is currently the republican party.
- danielovichdk 3y ago
  Europe has to wake up. We are so lazy and political incompetent that it would easy for anyone to invade us and have us work in gulags. The only people left that fights back are the slaves, the rest of us is uncomfortably unconcerned. Please help us by selecting Trump.
- logicchains 3y ago
  The full context is he said if those European countries did not meet their NATO defense spending obligations he'd let Putin do what he wants with them.
  - The_Colonel 3y ago
    Not just "let", he explicitly said "encourage".
bandyaboot 3y ago
I’d say it’s more accurate to say the Republican Party is firmly beholden to a man who is at times openly pro-Putin and the rest of the time merely transparently pro-Putin.
- flanked-evergl 3y ago
  Thanks for clarifying, I'm not an American, and I was not aware Trump is openly pro-Putin. This is quite concerning, do you mind clarifying what openly or transparently pro-Putin policy positions he takes?
  - bandyaboot 3y ago
    Well for one, his public and sharp criticism of NATO countries that he's decided are not or have not been spending enough on defense. Airing that stuff out in the open sows division and weakens the unity of the alliance. And it often seems like he is angling toward pulling the US out entirely at some point--though I'm not sure he'd be able to.
    - flanked-evergl 3y ago
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mlrtime 3y ago
There is none, it is 100% rhetoric. When AOC says "Eat the rich" , do people think she literally wants the masses to go find the nearest billionaire and start cannibalism? Trump thinks that the US pays too much into NATO and others not enough. This his tactic for getting other countries to pay more for the security we all enjoy which isn't free. I'm not a Trump fan but I see through his words to his tactics.
- logicchains 3y ago
  It's not just Trump thinks; under NATO those countries are obligated to spend a certain % of their GDP on defense, which they've failed to do.
- downut 3y ago
  The MAGAts in the House from the Speaker on down are blocking all Ukrainian aid concretely, not rhetorically. That's literally pro-Putin, and it comes 100% at the direction of the leader of the MAGAts.
  - ToValueFunfetti 3y ago
    This is quite reductive. 38% of democrats also oppose additional aid[0], are they literally pro-Putin? 100% (one hopes) of Americans would oppose a $100T aid package, are we all rootin' fer Putin? When I earned minimum wage, I steadfastly refused to donate to charity; was I literally pro-homelessness and suffering and all of societies ills? [0] https://www.cnn.com/2023/08/04/politics/cnn-poll-ukraine/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2023/08/04/politics/cnn-poll-ukraine/ind...
    - downut 3y ago
      Those "democrats" are not preventing a vote on the aid, which appears would pass with a large majority. The actual power here resides with the MAGAts, from the Speaker on down, directed by Trump. I am not sure I can be charitable enough to think you really don't understand this. The reaching is extreme.
Cthulhu_ 3y ago
The MAGA subgroup of Republicans: https://accountability.gop/ukraine-quotes/ https://accountability.gop/ukraine-quotes/ Tucker Carlson is on there too, he's now a full time Russia shill.
- flanked-evergl 3y ago
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  - angiosperm 3y ago
    He invaded back in 2014 when no sane person could have guessed Trump would get in.
    - flanked-evergl 3y ago
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  - BurningFrog 3y ago
    From the perspective of the Russian people, it's a huge tragedy to send a whole generation of young men to die in the Ukrainian mud. But I think Putin wants to go down in history as a great leader of Russia that turned the decline and Made Russia Great Again. From that perspective what he's doing isn't dumb at all. At least if it succeeds.
    - flanked-evergl 3y ago
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    - mindslight 3y ago
      The entire problem with "Make <blank> Great Again" and business monkey dick-waving in general is that it carries an inherent assertion of success, while doing very little work to actually make that success happen. So it doesn't really make sense to brush aside the implausibility and analyze it in the a posteri context of "if it succeeds", any more than indulging the fantasy of a child saying "I want a pony". And sure sometimes such gambles can actually end up working. But that's more for debt/confidence based businesses where keeping investors on the hook can win significantly more resources. At the level of national leadership, such delusions are just ignorant.

Recently Trump said that if Putin invaded Europe, he (Trump) "would encourage Russia to do whatever the hell they wanted to you". It's not full pro-Russia yet, but he's certainly moving in that direction. Unfortunately, Trump is currently the republican party.

danielovichdk 3y ago
Europe has to wake up. We are so lazy and political incompetent that it would easy for anyone to invade us and have us work in gulags. The only people left that fights back are the slaves, the rest of us is uncomfortably unconcerned. Please help us by selecting Trump.
logicchains 3y ago
The full context is he said if those European countries did not meet their NATO defense spending obligations he'd let Putin do what he wants with them.
- The_Colonel 3y ago
  Not just "let", he explicitly said "encourage".

bandyaboot 3y ago

I’d say it’s more accurate to say the Republican Party is firmly beholden to a man who is at times openly pro-Putin and the rest of the time merely transparently pro-Putin.

flanked-evergl 3y ago
Thanks for clarifying, I'm not an American, and I was not aware Trump is openly pro-Putin. This is quite concerning, do you mind clarifying what openly or transparently pro-Putin policy positions he takes?
- bandyaboot 3y ago
  Well for one, his public and sharp criticism of NATO countries that he's decided are not or have not been spending enough on defense. Airing that stuff out in the open sows division and weakens the unity of the alliance. And it often seems like he is angling toward pulling the US out entirely at some point--though I'm not sure he'd be able to.
  - flanked-evergl 3y ago
    [flagged]

mlrtime 3y ago

There is none, it is 100% rhetoric. When AOC says "Eat the rich" , do people think she literally wants the masses to go find the nearest billionaire and start cannibalism? Trump thinks that the US pays too much into NATO and others not enough. This his tactic for getting other countries to pay more for the security we all enjoy which isn't free. I'm not a Trump fan but I see through his words to his tactics.

logicchains 3y ago
It's not just Trump thinks; under NATO those countries are obligated to spend a certain % of their GDP on defense, which they've failed to do.
downut 3y ago
The MAGAts in the House from the Speaker on down are blocking all Ukrainian aid concretely, not rhetorically. That's literally pro-Putin, and it comes 100% at the direction of the leader of the MAGAts.
- ToValueFunfetti 3y ago
  This is quite reductive. 38% of democrats also oppose additional aid[0], are they literally pro-Putin? 100% (one hopes) of Americans would oppose a $100T aid package, are we all rootin' fer Putin? When I earned minimum wage, I steadfastly refused to donate to charity; was I literally pro-homelessness and suffering and all of societies ills? [0] https://www.cnn.com/2023/08/04/politics/cnn-poll-ukraine/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2023/08/04/politics/cnn-poll-ukraine/ind...
  - downut 3y ago
    Those "democrats" are not preventing a vote on the aid, which appears would pass with a large majority. The actual power here resides with the MAGAts, from the Speaker on down, directed by Trump. I am not sure I can be charitable enough to think you really don't understand this. The reaching is extreme.

Cthulhu_ 3y ago

The MAGA subgroup of Republicans: https://accountability.gop/ukraine-quotes/ https://accountability.gop/ukraine-quotes/ Tucker Carlson is on there too, he's now a full time Russia shill.

flanked-evergl 3y ago
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- angiosperm 3y ago
  He invaded back in 2014 when no sane person could have guessed Trump would get in.
  - flanked-evergl 3y ago
    [flagged]
- BurningFrog 3y ago
  From the perspective of the Russian people, it's a huge tragedy to send a whole generation of young men to die in the Ukrainian mud. But I think Putin wants to go down in history as a great leader of Russia that turned the decline and Made Russia Great Again. From that perspective what he's doing isn't dumb at all. At least if it succeeds.
  - flanked-evergl 3y ago
    [flagged]
  - mindslight 3y ago
    The entire problem with "Make <blank> Great Again" and business monkey dick-waving in general is that it carries an inherent assertion of success, while doing very little work to actually make that success happen. So it doesn't really make sense to brush aside the implausibility and analyze it in the a posteri context of "if it succeeds", any more than indulging the fantasy of a child saying "I want a pony". And sure sometimes such gambles can actually end up working. But that's more for debt/confidence based businesses where keeping investors on the hook can win significantly more resources. At the level of national leadership, such delusions are just ignorant.