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> west is busy either with it's in-fighting or comparing each others superior Also slowly folding. It is not happening only in little countries like Slovakia.

by timeon 3y ago

> west is busy either with it's in-fighting or comparing each others superior Also slowly folding. It is not happening only in little countries like Slovakia. US has relevant party that is now openly pro-Putin.

jacquesm 3y ago
You have to wonder about the sanity of people that are in love with power for power's sake.
lm28469 3y ago
> Also slowly folding. It is not happening only in little countries like Slovakia. I assume you don't know much about Slovakia besides the few headlines that pop here and there, right ?
- timeon 3y ago
  I have mentioned Slovakia because conspiracy theories are mainstream there. Ministry of culture is ruled by one of those medias. I have mentioned Slovakia because I constantly hear about 'US bad Russia Good' there. I mentioned Slovakia because that is my home country. So tell me why would you assume my lack of knowledge?
  - reportgunner 3y ago
    That sounds like a yes to me
    - timeon 3y ago
      Can you elaborate?
      - reportgunner 3y ago
        I would prefer not to on here.
  - lm28469 3y ago
    My wife's from there and I spend quite a lot of time there. Everybody and their uncle became a Slovak politic expert during the last election while half of them didn't even know Czechoslovakia wasn't a thing anymore the day prior. Unless you evolve in very weird circles you probably know that it's infinitely more complex than 'US bad Russia Good' > So tell me why would you assume my lack of knowledge? Hard to tell if you're part of the "Slovakia should be kicked out of EU because they voted bad" crowd that popped up out of nowhere (and disappeared as quickly apparently). It's much less black and white than people make it look like, for example: https://cdn.statcdn.com/Infographic/images/normal/27331.jpeg https://cdn.statcdn.com/Infographic/images/normal/27331.jpeg
    - timeon 3y ago
      > Hard to tell if you're part of the "Slovakia should be kicked out of EU because they voted bad" crowd Not sure why you went that far with your assumptions. I just stated that situation in Slovakia changed. It is not black and white - I agree with you. I mentioned Slovakia where it happened and US where it is starting to happen. It is not going to be black and white there either but that should not be excuse to stay passive.
      - lm28469 3y ago
        Fair enough, I jumped on the gun because I heard lots baseless attacks on Slovakia in the recent past, which I assume might be partially orchestrated or at least coming from very uninformed individuals trying to fit their local political games onto other nations'
        timeon 3y ago
        I was bit vague with my original comment. I should have expect comments like that but I posted that under emotions of this news and what is currently happening at home.
    - Viliam1234 3y ago
      I live in Slovakia. My impression is that the country was always divided; half of the population pro-Western, the other half pro-Russian. The pro-Western people are over-represented in Bratislava and among the university-educated people. So if you are a smart person living in the capital city, it is easy to forget how the rest of the country thinks... and then you always get surprised when they elect an anti-Western alpha male: previously Mečiar, now Fico. For reasons I do not understand, Russian propaganda (Slobodný vysielač, etc.) is extremely popular here. I have never actually listened to it, but I don't even need to, because people quote them on internet all the time; it is the source of all popular conspiracy theories. Luckily for us, Fico lies to everyone, including his own voters. He promises them to side with Russia against the Ukraine... but most of that are just empty words. The actual policy probably will not change a lot, because his main concerns are somewhere else: staying out of prison, remaining popular, stealing more money. Otherwise he will give up under the slightest economical threat from EU. His voters only care about rhetoric, and at home he is going to give them exactly that.
joshsyn 3y ago
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flanked-evergl 3y ago
> US has relevant party that is now openly pro-Putin What relevant party in the US is openly pro-Putin?
- The_Colonel 3y ago
  Recently Trump said that if Putin invaded Europe, he (Trump) "would encourage Russia to do whatever the hell they wanted to you". It's not full pro-Russia yet, but he's certainly moving in that direction. Unfortunately, Trump is currently the republican party.
  - danielovichdk 3y ago
    Europe has to wake up. We are so lazy and political incompetent that it would easy for anyone to invade us and have us work in gulags. The only people left that fights back are the slaves, the rest of us is uncomfortably unconcerned. Please help us by selecting Trump.
  - logicchains 3y ago
    The full context is he said if those European countries did not meet their NATO defense spending obligations he'd let Putin do what he wants with them.
    - The_Colonel 3y ago
      Not just "let", he explicitly said "encourage".
- bandyaboot 3y ago
  I’d say it’s more accurate to say the Republican Party is firmly beholden to a man who is at times openly pro-Putin and the rest of the time merely transparently pro-Putin.
  - flanked-evergl 3y ago
    Thanks for clarifying, I'm not an American, and I was not aware Trump is openly pro-Putin. This is quite concerning, do you mind clarifying what openly or transparently pro-Putin policy positions he takes?

by timeon 3y ago

jacquesm 3y ago

You have to wonder about the sanity of people that are in love with power for power's sake.

lm28469 3y ago

> Also slowly folding. It is not happening only in little countries like Slovakia. I assume you don't know much about Slovakia besides the few headlines that pop here and there, right ?

timeon 3y ago
I have mentioned Slovakia because conspiracy theories are mainstream there. Ministry of culture is ruled by one of those medias. I have mentioned Slovakia because I constantly hear about 'US bad Russia Good' there. I mentioned Slovakia because that is my home country. So tell me why would you assume my lack of knowledge?
- reportgunner 3y ago
  That sounds like a yes to me
  - timeon 3y ago
    Can you elaborate?
    - reportgunner 3y ago
      I would prefer not to on here.
- lm28469 3y ago
  My wife's from there and I spend quite a lot of time there. Everybody and their uncle became a Slovak politic expert during the last election while half of them didn't even know Czechoslovakia wasn't a thing anymore the day prior. Unless you evolve in very weird circles you probably know that it's infinitely more complex than 'US bad Russia Good' > So tell me why would you assume my lack of knowledge? Hard to tell if you're part of the "Slovakia should be kicked out of EU because they voted bad" crowd that popped up out of nowhere (and disappeared as quickly apparently). It's much less black and white than people make it look like, for example: https://cdn.statcdn.com/Infographic/images/normal/27331.jpeg https://cdn.statcdn.com/Infographic/images/normal/27331.jpeg
  - timeon 3y ago
    > Hard to tell if you're part of the "Slovakia should be kicked out of EU because they voted bad" crowd Not sure why you went that far with your assumptions. I just stated that situation in Slovakia changed. It is not black and white - I agree with you. I mentioned Slovakia where it happened and US where it is starting to happen. It is not going to be black and white there either but that should not be excuse to stay passive.
    - lm28469 3y ago
      Fair enough, I jumped on the gun because I heard lots baseless attacks on Slovakia in the recent past, which I assume might be partially orchestrated or at least coming from very uninformed individuals trying to fit their local political games onto other nations'
      - timeon 3y ago
        I was bit vague with my original comment. I should have expect comments like that but I posted that under emotions of this news and what is currently happening at home.
  - Viliam1234 3y ago
    I live in Slovakia. My impression is that the country was always divided; half of the population pro-Western, the other half pro-Russian. The pro-Western people are over-represented in Bratislava and among the university-educated people. So if you are a smart person living in the capital city, it is easy to forget how the rest of the country thinks... and then you always get surprised when they elect an anti-Western alpha male: previously Mečiar, now Fico. For reasons I do not understand, Russian propaganda (Slobodný vysielač, etc.) is extremely popular here. I have never actually listened to it, but I don't even need to, because people quote them on internet all the time; it is the source of all popular conspiracy theories. Luckily for us, Fico lies to everyone, including his own voters. He promises them to side with Russia against the Ukraine... but most of that are just empty words. The actual policy probably will not change a lot, because his main concerns are somewhere else: staying out of prison, remaining popular, stealing more money. Otherwise he will give up under the slightest economical threat from EU. His voters only care about rhetoric, and at home he is going to give them exactly that.

joshsyn 3y ago

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flanked-evergl 3y ago

> US has relevant party that is now openly pro-Putin What relevant party in the US is openly pro-Putin?

The_Colonel 3y ago
Recently Trump said that if Putin invaded Europe, he (Trump) "would encourage Russia to do whatever the hell they wanted to you". It's not full pro-Russia yet, but he's certainly moving in that direction. Unfortunately, Trump is currently the republican party.
- danielovichdk 3y ago
  Europe has to wake up. We are so lazy and political incompetent that it would easy for anyone to invade us and have us work in gulags. The only people left that fights back are the slaves, the rest of us is uncomfortably unconcerned. Please help us by selecting Trump.
- logicchains 3y ago
  The full context is he said if those European countries did not meet their NATO defense spending obligations he'd let Putin do what he wants with them.
  - The_Colonel 3y ago
    Not just "let", he explicitly said "encourage".
bandyaboot 3y ago
I’d say it’s more accurate to say the Republican Party is firmly beholden to a man who is at times openly pro-Putin and the rest of the time merely transparently pro-Putin.
- flanked-evergl 3y ago
  Thanks for clarifying, I'm not an American, and I was not aware Trump is openly pro-Putin. This is quite concerning, do you mind clarifying what openly or transparently pro-Putin policy positions he takes?