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They ain't never been cool. The shit practices they are trying to defend were there from day 1 and are baked into their DNA. Treating their users like stupid an

They ain't never been cool. The shit practices they are trying to defend were there from day 1 and are baked into their DNA. Treating their users like stupid animals that don't know what's good for them is what they do. And they will fight tooth and nail to continue to do it. Even as EU tries to kick their predatory ways out of them. To think there's a hardware thing in 2024 that does not allow its owner to compile and install arbitrary software while still calling itself a smartphone is just laughable. It's a good thing people are starting to wake up to this even on legislative level.

amelius 3y ago
> Treating their users like stupid animals that don't know what's good for them is what they do. The problem I have with that is that they are selling a ContentFilter as an integrated part of their OS, when it can be a separate, optional part, and even offered by a third party. Also, they equate AppStore == ContentFilter, which are clearly two separate concepts.
pb7 3y ago
Most users are stupid though. Reminder that a US congressman once grilled Google's CEO about whether Google was tracking his iPhone's precise location. And this one was smart enough to con his way into Congress. "I have an iPhone, and if I move from here and go over there and sit with my Democrat friends, which would make them real nervous, does Google track my movement?" -- Ted Poe https://www.cnet.com/tech/mobile/google-ceo-pichai-grilled-over-companys-location-tracking-capabilities/ https://www.cnet.com/tech/mobile/google-ceo-pichai-grilled-o...
- jeroenhd 3y ago
  > "I have an iPhone, and if I move from here and go over there and sit with my Democrat friends, which would make them real nervous, does Google track my movement?" -- Ted Poe The thing is, if this was a real life situation, and he would seek out and politically collaborate with/stalk and listen in on his Democrat friends, there's a good chance Google would know. Not because of a digital AirTag Google installed on his phone, but because of the tracking and data analysis Google has access to. The indirection and hidden mechanisms Google (and other data trading companies) use are impossible to comprehend for normal people, and they're banking on that to continue being allowed to do that.
  - pb7 3y ago
    The point was that he has no idea where the boundaries around between Apple and Google and what is within the realm of possibility of abuse and what is strictly impossible without him tapping "accept" via a system prompt. It is not possible for Google to track his location without him granting permission to do so on his iPhone. It is not possible to get precise location data without a prompt and a blue system indicator. It is not possible to get repeated location data without iOS eventually notifying you of the background activity (even the stock Weather app is not immune to this). All of this is because Apple has fine control over the system.
- deminature 3y ago
  Google does track your movement with alarming levels of detail, just not to that level of granularity. https://support.google.com/maps/answer/6258979?hl=en&co=GENIE.Platform%3DAndroid https://support.google.com/maps/answer/6258979?hl=en&co=GENI...

amelius 3y ago

> Treating their users like stupid animals that don't know what's good for them is what they do. The problem I have with that is that they are selling a ContentFilter as an integrated part of their OS, when it can be a separate, optional part, and even offered by a third party. Also, they equate AppStore == ContentFilter, which are clearly two separate concepts.

pb7 3y ago

Most users are stupid though. Reminder that a US congressman once grilled Google's CEO about whether Google was tracking his iPhone's precise location. And this one was smart enough to con his way into Congress. "I have an iPhone, and if I move from here and go over there and sit with my Democrat friends, which would make them real nervous, does Google track my movement?" -- Ted Poe https://www.cnet.com/tech/mobile/google-ceo-pichai-grilled-over-companys-location-tracking-capabilities/ https://www.cnet.com/tech/mobile/google-ceo-pichai-grilled-o...

jeroenhd 3y ago
> "I have an iPhone, and if I move from here and go over there and sit with my Democrat friends, which would make them real nervous, does Google track my movement?" -- Ted Poe The thing is, if this was a real life situation, and he would seek out and politically collaborate with/stalk and listen in on his Democrat friends, there's a good chance Google would know. Not because of a digital AirTag Google installed on his phone, but because of the tracking and data analysis Google has access to. The indirection and hidden mechanisms Google (and other data trading companies) use are impossible to comprehend for normal people, and they're banking on that to continue being allowed to do that.
- pb7 3y ago
  The point was that he has no idea where the boundaries around between Apple and Google and what is within the realm of possibility of abuse and what is strictly impossible without him tapping "accept" via a system prompt. It is not possible for Google to track his location without him granting permission to do so on his iPhone. It is not possible to get precise location data without a prompt and a blue system indicator. It is not possible to get repeated location data without iOS eventually notifying you of the background activity (even the stock Weather app is not immune to this). All of this is because Apple has fine control over the system.
deminature 3y ago
Google does track your movement with alarming levels of detail, just not to that level of granularity. https://support.google.com/maps/answer/6258979?hl=en&co=GENIE.Platform%3DAndroid https://support.google.com/maps/answer/6258979?hl=en&co=GENI...