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> Even if what they are saying is not inflammatory, there is always a chance of making a misstep or just having a bad opinion without fully understanding it. In

> Even if what they are saying is not inflammatory, there is always a chance of making a misstep or just having a bad opinion without fully understanding it. In the modern age, everything is forever. There's no room to evolve. Is this actually true or is it just something people say? I feel like there's plenty of room for people to grow or change their beliefs these days, it seems like every other day someone in power or in the spotlight says something like "oh that was something I used to believe but I've changed since" and that's kind of the end of it. Rarely do I feel like someone is entirely blacklisted for some opinion they held in their past but no longer hold, unless that past behavior was either abusive or straight up mean. Maybe I'm just not tuned in enough though.

ryandrake 3y ago
It's pretty easy for a basement dweller to link a pseudonym to your real name these days, so easy that I just don't bother with pseudonyms anymore. If I don't feel comfortable linking some statement with my real name forever, I just won't post that statement anymore. Does that stop me from hitting the "Reply" button sometimes? Sure, and the community is probably better off because of that. The only thing I worry about is that some belief or comment could be totally benign today, but who knows in 30 years it might be totally taboo. Surely things I've said 30 years ago would get me fired in today's environment of heightened sensitivity. I don't worry too much about that because in 30 years I'll be retired and un-cancelable, if I'm even still alive.
- GoblinSlayer 3y ago
  How easy? How can you extract more than my city from my pseudonym and IP?
tithe 3y ago
A vicious consequence of being blacklisted/cancelled is you're no longer in the public arena to broadcast a change of heart/mind, especially if that belief was incomplete or action criminal. "What's become clear to you since we last met?"
- tech_ken 3y ago
  Do you have any examples in mind of this? I’m struggling without having something concrete to anchor on
joe_the_user 3y ago
It's hard to know how true "the Internet is forever" is at this point. But that doesn't qualify in my mind as "proof you won't get in trouble on the Internet". Especially, I certainly don't want someone else dictating that what I post goes on a specific which can be linked to other things later.
wavemode 3y ago
just off the top of my head I can think of many people getting cancelled and/or losing their jobs due to jokes they made online many years prior, despite disavowing the opinion and/or clarifying that it was just a joke in poor taste (if your response is that those people deserved it, then you are necessarily also admitting that, no, there isn't really room to "grow and change", if the thing you said offends the wrong people in the wrong way)
- tech_ken 3y ago
  Any examples you can share? I personally have never seen or heard of this happening, but obviously that doesn't mean it doesn't. I have no thoughts about who deserves what

ryandrake 3y ago

It's pretty easy for a basement dweller to link a pseudonym to your real name these days, so easy that I just don't bother with pseudonyms anymore. If I don't feel comfortable linking some statement with my real name forever, I just won't post that statement anymore. Does that stop me from hitting the "Reply" button sometimes? Sure, and the community is probably better off because of that. The only thing I worry about is that some belief or comment could be totally benign today, but who knows in 30 years it might be totally taboo. Surely things I've said 30 years ago would get me fired in today's environment of heightened sensitivity. I don't worry too much about that because in 30 years I'll be retired and un-cancelable, if I'm even still alive.

GoblinSlayer 3y ago
How easy? How can you extract more than my city from my pseudonym and IP?

tithe 3y ago

A vicious consequence of being blacklisted/cancelled is you're no longer in the public arena to broadcast a change of heart/mind, especially if that belief was incomplete or action criminal. "What's become clear to you since we last met?"

tech_ken 3y ago
Do you have any examples in mind of this? I’m struggling without having something concrete to anchor on

joe_the_user 3y ago

It's hard to know how true "the Internet is forever" is at this point. But that doesn't qualify in my mind as "proof you won't get in trouble on the Internet". Especially, I certainly don't want someone else dictating that what I post goes on a specific which can be linked to other things later.

wavemode 3y ago

just off the top of my head I can think of many people getting cancelled and/or losing their jobs due to jokes they made online many years prior, despite disavowing the opinion and/or clarifying that it was just a joke in poor taste (if your response is that those people deserved it, then you are necessarily also admitting that, no, there isn't really room to "grow and change", if the thing you said offends the wrong people in the wrong way)

tech_ken 3y ago
Any examples you can share? I personally have never seen or heard of this happening, but obviously that doesn't mean it doesn't. I have no thoughts about who deserves what