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One thing that comes to mind is this: imagine someone is found with cp on a device. They could defend themselves saying it is AI generated. Unless there is a re

One thing that comes to mind is this: imagine someone is found with cp on a device. They could defend themselves saying it is AI generated. Unless there is a reliable way to tell AI fakes from real ones people could possibly use this defense.

ng12 3y ago
If AI generated porn were indistinguishable wouldn't that almost totally eliminate demand for the real stuff?
- FirmwareBurner 3y ago
  But to generate faithful AI CP it must mean the AI was trained on actual CP dataset. So those who trained the AI would have some explaining to do.
  - ithkuil 3y ago
    I don't think that's necessarily true. An AI can generate an image of a wizard with a frog on their head and that doesn't imply that the training set had such an image
  - aenvoker 3y ago
    You don't need to train on pictures of canine golfers to make highly convincing pictures of dogs driving golf carts on Mars. https://imgur.com/a/EIWUJYp https://imgur.com/a/EIWUJYp The AIs are extremely good at mixing concepts.
  - xigoi 3y ago
    Are you sure? I’d guess that AI can extrapolate from adult porn and non-sexual depictions of children.
    - FirmwareBurner 3y ago
      So the AI will generate children with adult private parts?
      - xigoi 3y ago
        Pretty sure there are non-sexual images of naked children too, such as in anatomy textbooks.
- ben_w 3y ago
  Unknown. For example, I have heard most offenders abuse their relatives, and I don't expect synthetic material to have any impact in this category. Also, the only way to find out if this has any effect at all (positive or negative) would disgust and outrage many, as that test would require having a region where it's forbidden and a control group where it's allowed and seeing which is worse. I'm not sure how many people would try to lynch mob (let alone vote out) whoever tries to do that, but I'm sure it's enough that exact numbers don't matter.
  - diputsmonro 3y ago
    My guess is that offenders abuse relatives because they are easier to access and manipulate, not because there is a true preference there. More a crime of opportunity than a pursued goal.
- realfeel78 3y ago
  In that scenario, how tf would you know that "real stuff" was eliminated? Think, please.
amelius 3y ago
If the technology gets to that point, who needs the real thing?
- mschuster91 3y ago
  People who are into it not because they like their kids young (i.e. "classic" pedos), but because they want to (feel to) have the power of causing pain. There is a real market for custom pedo videos, it's utterly insane.
  - amelius 3y ago
    I'm guessing the market will just serve them fake custom videos then ...
  - almatabata 3y ago
    > People who are into it not because they like their kids young (i.e. "classic" pedos), but because they want to (feel to) have the power of causing pain. Stupid question but why take kids then and not adult women? Why take the risk of buying CP if you do not like the kids young?
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beaeglebeached 3y ago
Makes sense but real people have real ages. Couldnt they just say the AI is a rendition of an 18 year old with some hypothetical development deviation? You'd have to ban all ai porn because the age can't be measured as it's non-existent.
- once_inc 3y ago
  That would indeed be the probable next step for government or intergovernmental organizations. Criminalize AI porn. Then criminalize regular porn. The government is greedy in its lust for control and order in a chaotic world. It has a tendency to overreach, then overreach again (as we see with in the overlap of privacy and counterterrorism).
- birracerveza 3y ago
  Ah yes, the japanese “1000 year old dragon loli” gambit. Which is actually a perfectly valid defense imo, as it’s horribly dumb to incriminate real people because of fictional characters. Should everyone who has a copy of IT go to jail because of child pornography? It makes no sense.

ng12 3y ago

If AI generated porn were indistinguishable wouldn't that almost totally eliminate demand for the real stuff?

FirmwareBurner 3y ago
But to generate faithful AI CP it must mean the AI was trained on actual CP dataset. So those who trained the AI would have some explaining to do.
- ithkuil 3y ago
  I don't think that's necessarily true. An AI can generate an image of a wizard with a frog on their head and that doesn't imply that the training set had such an image
- aenvoker 3y ago
  You don't need to train on pictures of canine golfers to make highly convincing pictures of dogs driving golf carts on Mars. https://imgur.com/a/EIWUJYp https://imgur.com/a/EIWUJYp The AIs are extremely good at mixing concepts.
- xigoi 3y ago
  Are you sure? I’d guess that AI can extrapolate from adult porn and non-sexual depictions of children.
  - FirmwareBurner 3y ago
    So the AI will generate children with adult private parts?
    - xigoi 3y ago
      Pretty sure there are non-sexual images of naked children too, such as in anatomy textbooks.
ben_w 3y ago
Unknown. For example, I have heard most offenders abuse their relatives, and I don't expect synthetic material to have any impact in this category. Also, the only way to find out if this has any effect at all (positive or negative) would disgust and outrage many, as that test would require having a region where it's forbidden and a control group where it's allowed and seeing which is worse. I'm not sure how many people would try to lynch mob (let alone vote out) whoever tries to do that, but I'm sure it's enough that exact numbers don't matter.
- diputsmonro 3y ago
  My guess is that offenders abuse relatives because they are easier to access and manipulate, not because there is a true preference there. More a crime of opportunity than a pursued goal.
realfeel78 3y ago
In that scenario, how tf would you know that "real stuff" was eliminated? Think, please.

amelius 3y ago

If the technology gets to that point, who needs the real thing?

mschuster91 3y ago
People who are into it not because they like their kids young (i.e. "classic" pedos), but because they want to (feel to) have the power of causing pain. There is a real market for custom pedo videos, it's utterly insane.
- amelius 3y ago
  I'm guessing the market will just serve them fake custom videos then ...
- almatabata 3y ago
  > People who are into it not because they like their kids young (i.e. "classic" pedos), but because they want to (feel to) have the power of causing pain. Stupid question but why take kids then and not adult women? Why take the risk of buying CP if you do not like the kids young?
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beaeglebeached 3y ago

Makes sense but real people have real ages. Couldnt they just say the AI is a rendition of an 18 year old with some hypothetical development deviation? You'd have to ban all ai porn because the age can't be measured as it's non-existent.

once_inc 3y ago
That would indeed be the probable next step for government or intergovernmental organizations. Criminalize AI porn. Then criminalize regular porn. The government is greedy in its lust for control and order in a chaotic world. It has a tendency to overreach, then overreach again (as we see with in the overlap of privacy and counterterrorism).
birracerveza 3y ago
Ah yes, the japanese “1000 year old dragon loli” gambit. Which is actually a perfectly valid defense imo, as it’s horribly dumb to incriminate real people because of fictional characters. Should everyone who has a copy of IT go to jail because of child pornography? It makes no sense.