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Who is the victim of this “crime” here?
by iammjm 3y ago
Who is the victim of this “crime” here?
- artninja1988 3y agoOne argument I've heard is that it makes investigation of real cp harder.
- mulletbum 3y agoPretty sure that is a terrible reason to make laws for it. I heard the bill of rights has the same problem.
- artninja1988 3y agoI'm also not sure how I feel about it. Guess I'd have to see some evidence of how people generating cp images affects real children, be it by encouraging actual acts or whatever. If it doesn't or has the opposite effect, I would be against criminalising it, even though it is disgusting
- realfeel78 3y agoLuckily most other people in the world don't need further convincing.
- anonporridge 3y agoPossibly, but I'd also speculate that it makes real cp less profitable, and therefore start to disappear. Similar to how real OF girls are going to rapidly lose their income because dudes running AI camgirls will increasingly outcompete them for attention and money.
- realfeel78 3y agoYou think the main reason cp exists is profit? Really? Listen to the podcast "Hunting Warhead" before you make another comment so wildly uninformed on the topic anywhere.
- nickthegreek 3y agoI hear encryption does the same thing.
- ben_w 3y agoIt does make it harder to investigate, the counter argument is that encryption is a literally unavoidable requirement for securing almost 100% of all online activities, which are themselves now critical to the functioning of modern economies. For the moment, GenAI isn't.
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- PlutoIsAPlanet 3y agoReal children in the activity this kind of material promotes
- delichon 3y agoThis is "thoughtcrime". The argument against outlawing thoughtcrime has never been that there isn't a victim. Of course there are victims of bad thoughts. The steel man argument is that we're better off without central thought control in spite of those real victims, because there are more and worse victims of authoritarian thought control.
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- Ahoy8751 3y agoThis is probably controversial, but if we assume that pedos will (unfortunately) exist and will generate demand for this kind of material, isn't it better if it comes from an AI instead of real children?
- doublerabbit 3y agoFor it to come from AI it needs to come from real children. Chicken and the egg scenario. Someone abuses a child, film it, put it in AI. And they now have that child's model. Throw away the child and they're currently guilty free if any charges. Of course that won't be enough so repeat the process. It's not like someone is creating a model in blender and than running that though a AI. Not like that doesn't happen anyway.
- Ahoy8751 3y agoIt feels really wrong to write this but what happens if someone makes a model that's "good enough" and there's no incentive to abuse children any more? Also, a lot of models are never trained on real pictures of what they generate.
- doublerabbit 3y agoIf a "good enough" model ever came be it could split the pedophile category in to two. (On a basic level) Those who seek sexual gratification from the abuse of a minor. The real deal. And those who are aroused by the body of the minor, or watching the abuse of an minor. If the model is "good enough" than you could potentially say that those who are interested in pedophilia probably won't seek the further extremes to fulfil their pleasure. However, in the long run they are still pedophillac and the real deal will always be the more for those.
- realfeel78 3y ago> what happens if someone makes a model that's "good enough" and there's no incentive to abuse children any more? That isn't how anything works.
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- DalasNoin 3y agoOne thing that comes to mind is this: imagine someone is found with cp on a device. They could defend themselves saying it is AI generated. Unless there is a reliable way to tell AI fakes from real ones people could possibly use this defense.
- ng12 3y agoIf AI generated porn were indistinguishable wouldn't that almost totally eliminate demand for the real stuff?
- FirmwareBurner 3y agoBut to generate faithful AI CP it must mean the AI was trained on actual CP dataset. So those who trained the AI would have some explaining to do.
- ithkuil 3y agoI don't think that's necessarily true. An AI can generate an image of a wizard with a frog on their head and that doesn't imply that the training set had such an image
- aenvoker 3y agoYou don't need to train on pictures of canine golfers to make highly convincing pictures of dogs driving golf carts on Mars. https://imgur.com/a/EIWUJYp https://imgur.com/a/EIWUJYp The AIs are extremely good at mixing concepts.
- xigoi 3y agoAre you sure? I’d guess that AI can extrapolate from adult porn and non-sexual depictions of children.
- FirmwareBurner 3y agoSo the AI will generate children with adult private parts?
- abought 3y ago"Anyone in the training dataset"? A big unanswered question in the age of AI: how does a system of law work when breaking one law is bad, but the product of breaking many laws is totally exempt? We're starting to see the milder form of this in debates around authorship and copyright. But when your AI model requires a shockingly large quantity of clearly verboten material as input, what is one to make of the output?