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> , starting with the Pro size This is where it gets confusing IMO. It's like if Apple announced macOS Blabahee, starting with Mini, not long after releasing

by OJFord 3y ago

> , starting with the Pro size This is where it gets confusing IMO. It's like if Apple announced macOS Blabahee, starting with Mini, not long after releasing Pro and Air touting benefits of Sonoma. Also, just.. this is how TFA begins: > Last week, we rolled out our most capable model, Gemini 1.0 Ultra, [...] Our teams continue pushing the frontiers of our latest models with safety at the core. They are making rapid progress. [...] 1.5 Pro achieves comparable quality to 1.0 Ultra Last week! And now we have next generation. And the wow is that it's comparable to the best of the previous generation. Ok fine at a smaller size, but also that's all we get anyway. Oh and the most capable remains the last generation one. As long as it's the biggest one.

crazygringo 3y ago
It's almost exactly like Apple, actually, with their M1 and M2 chips available in different sizes, launching at different times in different products. It's really not that confusing. There are different sizes and different generations, coming out at different times. This pattern is practically as old as computing itself. I can't even imagine what alternative naming scheme would be an improvement.
- OJFord 3y ago
  Don't go thinking I'm an Apple 'fanboy', I don't have any Apple devices at the moment, but I really can't imagine them launching a next gen product that isn't better than the best of the last gen. I doubt they launched M2 MBAs while the MBP was running M1, for example. Or more directly, a low-mid spec M3 MBP while the top-spec M2 MBP (I assume that would out-benchmark it?) still for sale and no comparable M3 chip yet. It's not having the matrix of size/power & generation that's confusing, it's the 'next generation' one initially launched not being the best. I think that's mainly it for me anyway.
  - crazygringo 3y ago
    > but I really can't imagine them launching a next gen product that isn't better than the best of the last gen. But they have. The baseline M2 is significantly less powerful than the M1 Max. What Google's doing is basically exactly like that. It happens all the time that the mid tier of the next generation isn't as good as the top tier of the previous generation. It might even be the norm.
    - OJFord 3y ago
      Sure but did they release the baseline M2 first, before higher end M2s were available?
      - crazygringo 3y ago
        I don't understand what that has to do with anything. There isn't a set order to things. Sometimes companies release a higher powered version first and then the budget version later, sometimes an entry-level version first and a pro version after. Sometimes both simultaneously. All of these are normal, and can even follow different orders generation to generation.
    - astrange 3y ago
      More powerful isn't the same thing as better. Among other things, better means performance/battery life tradeoff.
matwood 3y ago
> Last week! And now we have next generation. Google got caught completely flat footed by OpenAI. I'm going to cut them some slack that they want to show the world a bit of flex with their AI chops as soon as they have results.

by OJFord 3y ago

crazygringo 3y ago

It's almost exactly like Apple, actually, with their M1 and M2 chips available in different sizes, launching at different times in different products. It's really not that confusing. There are different sizes and different generations, coming out at different times. This pattern is practically as old as computing itself. I can't even imagine what alternative naming scheme would be an improvement.

OJFord 3y ago
Don't go thinking I'm an Apple 'fanboy', I don't have any Apple devices at the moment, but I really can't imagine them launching a next gen product that isn't better than the best of the last gen. I doubt they launched M2 MBAs while the MBP was running M1, for example. Or more directly, a low-mid spec M3 MBP while the top-spec M2 MBP (I assume that would out-benchmark it?) still for sale and no comparable M3 chip yet. It's not having the matrix of size/power & generation that's confusing, it's the 'next generation' one initially launched not being the best. I think that's mainly it for me anyway.
- crazygringo 3y ago
  > but I really can't imagine them launching a next gen product that isn't better than the best of the last gen. But they have. The baseline M2 is significantly less powerful than the M1 Max. What Google's doing is basically exactly like that. It happens all the time that the mid tier of the next generation isn't as good as the top tier of the previous generation. It might even be the norm.
  - OJFord 3y ago
    Sure but did they release the baseline M2 first, before higher end M2s were available?
    - crazygringo 3y ago
      I don't understand what that has to do with anything. There isn't a set order to things. Sometimes companies release a higher powered version first and then the budget version later, sometimes an entry-level version first and a pro version after. Sometimes both simultaneously. All of these are normal, and can even follow different orders generation to generation.
  - astrange 3y ago
    More powerful isn't the same thing as better. Among other things, better means performance/battery life tradeoff.

matwood 3y ago

> Last week! And now we have next generation. Google got caught completely flat footed by OpenAI. I'm going to cut them some slack that they want to show the world a bit of flex with their AI chops as soon as they have results.