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Pet peeve of mine: it's 'Aldi' not 'Aldi's' https://www.ksn.com/news/national-world/why-do-people-add-s-to-the-end-of-store-names/ https://www.ksn.com/news/nat
by kube-system 3y ago
Pet peeve of mine: it's 'Aldi' not 'Aldi's'
https://www.ksn.com/news/national-world/why-do-people-add-s-to-the-end-of-store-names/ https://www.ksn.com/news/national-world/why-do-people-add-s-...
- ayocado 3y agoEdited :)
- dataflow 3y agoRelated: is the price map of McDonald's then McDonald's's price map?
- ace2358 3y agoWhy not McDonald’s’
- dataflow 3y agoBecause it didn't occur to me that might be a possibility :-) is that what it would be?
- trealira 3y agoIt is a regular, but not universal, occurrence for people to elide the extra possessive 's when the word already ends in s. For example, although adding a possessive suffix 's to the nane "Jordan" would result in "Jordan's," adding it to "James" could result in "James'". There's an apostrophe written at the end, but it's pronounced the same way as "James." I said it's not universal because I still know people who would say "James's" (with an extra syllable at the end) in everyday speech anyway. I don't know to what extent this varies by dialect. It's also elided when a plural already ends in s (and I think this is universal, but I haven't looked it up). For example, "the doctor's computer" (the computer of one doctor) sounds the same as "the doctors' computers" (the computers owned by the doctors). The apostrophe is written on the other side of the s, but it also sounds the same. Note that not all plurals end in s, e.g. man/men, woman/women, goose/geese, etc., and in these cases you still add the s, e.g. "the geese's beaks".
- gooseyman 3y agoJames’ = AP style James’s = Chicago Style https://grammarbrain.com/james-or-jamess/ https://grammarbrain.com/james-or-jamess/
- thanatos519 3y agoMcDonalds' Baker's dozen -> Bakers' dozen
- 867-5309 3y agobaker's dozens
- imp0cat 3y agoMcDonald'ses. :D Or just omit "the" - We have many McDonald's here in our town.
- notso411 3y ago[dead]
- 8organicbits 3y agoCompanies often have press guides or branding guides that clarify this. For Macca, an old guide covers this (Trademark Usage / Page 3). https://issuu.com/lukaszkulakowski/docs/002725 https://issuu.com/lukaszkulakowski/docs/002725
- dataflow 3y agoIIUC, that seems to be saying "don't write sentences in this structure" rather than "here's how it would look if you did write it". (Though it would seem strange for a manual to dictate the grammar for its own name.)
- 8organicbits 3y agoFollowing the example of Big Mac sandwiches (not Big Macs) I believe you'd write McDonald's restaurants' (not McDonald's'). I.E. always keep the trademarked word as-is, add sandwich or other nouns where needed to make the grammar work. I think the confusion in this thread and elsewhere makes it clear why companies release brand guides.
- wlll 3y agoYeah, but companies don't get to decide how language is used. Apple can try all they want to demand that people say shit like "Use iPad to do it" or "Experience iPad" but that's just what they want and they can't stop people using English without their toxic marketing BS. Saying "Use an iPad to do it" is completely acceptable language and more in line with existing language no-matter what Apple marketing says.
- EasyMark 3y agoMcDonalds'
- Aaronmacaron 3y agohttps://web.archive.org/web/20231107074602/https://www.ksn.com/news/national-world/why-do-people-add-s-to-the-end-of-store-names/ https://web.archive.org/web/20231107074602/https://www.ksn.c...
- cottsak 3y agoyou Americans need to think about your "LEGOs" problem
- cgriswald 3y agoYou really don’t want to go down this road. I have no problem starting a movement to get Americans to call them “LEGO’s” and you won’t be able to even suggest it’s wrong because it’ll just be a contraction of “LEGO parts,” “LEGO bricks,” and “LEGO sets.” (But feel free to lambast us over punctuation and quotation marks.)
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- emsixteen 3y agoThis comment made me twitch involuntarily.
- scoot 3y agoThat isn't how contractions in English work – you can't form a contraction from two nouns. https://dictionary.cambridge.org/grammar/british-grammar/contractions https://dictionary.cambridge.org/grammar/british-grammar/con...
- atoav 3y agoHow long do you thing that they will turn the already-plural "data" into the hyper-plural "datas"? Or has this already happened, I am too afraid to check.
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- zyx321 3y agoIf anything it should be Al'sdi (Albrecht's Discount)
- lqet 3y agoTo continue this nitpick: it's "Albrecht Diskont" (no genetive), so it should be AlDi or ALDI (the latter is the spelling used officially by Aldi). When I was a child in the 90ies, older people still called Aldi "Albrecht" (and the middle class avoided going there for fear of being marked poor): https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/04/Albrecht_Filiale_1958.png https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/04/Albrecht... https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/13/Aldi-Kalchstra%C3%9Fe.JPG https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/13/Aldi-Kal... https://www.lebensmittelzeitung.net/news/media/7/The-Albre-bau-den-Disco-Rie-gemein-mit-sei-Bru-Kar-60416-detailp.jpeg https://www.lebensmittelzeitung.net/news/media/7/The-Albre-b... Interesting side note: Aldi is not called Aldi in Austria (it's "Hofer" there, which blew my mind as a kid since the logo is the same), because the Aldi trademark belonged to "Adel Lebensmittel Diskont" there.
- Freak_NL 3y agoPeople still avoid Aldi in the Netherlands if they want to keep up appearances. Lidl seems to suffer from this stigma a lot less.
- lqet 3y agoThat's interesting, because the customers at Aldi here in Germany are basically a cross-section of the population, but tend to be middle/higher middle class. Especially after the update to most of their shops during the last 7-8 years [0], most Aldis look really nice inside. This combined with the huge advantage that shopping at Aldi is really efficient (the stores are not large, for most items, you have only a single option to select from which usually has an excellent quality, and the cashiers are arguably the fastest in the industry) makes Aldi very attractive for people who could easily afford shopping at a non-discounter. Sure, I enjoy the occasional hour-long visit to a large supermarket with the family on a weekend, but after work? I want my shopping done in 10 minutes max without selecting from 30 brands of pasta and go home. At least in larger cities, the average Lidl often looks a bit run-down and grimy, and the customers tend to be lower class (that's not the case in rural areas, however). I always found that interesting, because prices / quality are basically equivalent (although I tend to prefer Aldi products). I live near the border to France, and the situation there appears to be similar. At least a few years ago, however, Aldis in Switzerland also looked very run-down (though not as run-down as Denner) with distinctly lower-class customers and a much larger focus on selling alcohol than in Germany. [0] https://www.augsburger-allgemeine.de/wirtschaft/Bilderstrecke-Aldi-erfindet-sich-neu-So-sollen-bald-alle-Filialen-aussehen-id37748467.html https://www.augsburger-allgemeine.de/wirtschaft/Bilderstreck...
- smeagull 3y agoActually it's 'Aldis', because we're talking about more than one.
- bilekas 3y ago> Actually it's 'Aldis', because we're talking about more than one. Just to clarify why this is wrong. First we are not talking about more than one, there is only one "Aldi" company. We don't use Aldi's (notice the use of the ' for possessive after a single noun) in this case even though every company name is a proper noun which would follow this rule. It's not used because the Price Map is not belonging to Aldi, it is a price map "FOR" Aldi.
- AussieWog93 3y agoI always assumed this was a purely Aussie phenomenon, but I guess it makes sense that it's more of an "informal speech" thing than a regional ism.
- walthamstow 3y agoIt's British too. Tesco is always called Tesco's.
- Lio 3y agoBritish supermarket Sainsbury's even put it in their logo. The actual name of the company is J Sainsbury plc.
- oniony 3y agoSainsbury's is a reduction of John Sainsbury's supermarket, so they need sense. Just like Wilko's is Wilkinson's general store.
- Lio 3y agoWell obviously but poster's point was that it's a British/Commonwealth colloquialism to do that. It started as "J Sainsbury" with no apostrophe s. Then it changed it registered as "J. Sainsbury Limited" in 1922, again no 's. "John Sainsbury's supermarket" was only contracted and picked up much later for marketing.
- nicgrev103 3y agoOr even Sainsbo's ;)
- Dathuil 3y agoI can't read the link but we've the same thing in Ireland. I've always assumed it stemed from shops being family owned. e.g. We have a stationary store that was originally called Eason and Sons which when said quickly sounds like Easons. There'a s few other examples but that's the one that always stood out to me
- madeofpalk 3y ago> This content is not available in your country/region. fitting for reading about a german supermarket chain
- paulcapewell 3y agoWhen accessing from UK: "This content is not available in your country/region." Holy moly. How is this even still a thing?
- 867-5309 3y agohow about Tesco's || Tescos' || Tescos for Tesco. it's just Tesco
- jmhammond 3y agoSurprised to see Wichita news as the url about this! Hello from ICT
- joezydeco 3y agoPet peeve: it's ALDI, not Aldi. It's an acronym for ALbrecht-DIskont.
- kube-system 3y agoAcronyms under most English style guides should be written in lowercase with the first letter capitalized. Only initialisms should be in all caps, which Aldi is definitely not. e.g. https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/17/business/aldi-winn-dixie-harveys-acquisition.html https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/17/business/aldi-winn-dixie-... e.g. https://www.bbc.com/news/business-63015985 https://www.bbc.com/news/business-63015985 Aldi's corporate style is "ALDI" but that's just their internal guidance, not the rules of English.
- rendang 3y agoI almost always see most acronyms (not brands with an acronym origin like Aldi) in all caps, and always considered it an odd quirk of the BBC that they did not. E.g. The NYT itself: https://www.nytimes.com/search?query=nato https://www.nytimes.com/search?query=nato Even the Daily Mail: https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=nato+site%3Ahttps%3A%2F%2Fwww.dailymail.co.uk https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=nato+site%3Ahttps%3A%2F%2F... But apparently the Guardian doesn't do the all-caps either. Are there any American publications/style guides that don't do all-caps?
- kube-system 3y agoEditors will make exceptions to general style guidelines when they think it leads to better clarity when reading. For instance, most newspapers will write iPhone with a lower case 'i', despite that being incorrect for a proper noun, because people are used to seeing it that way.