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A fairly specific example of helpful antagonism that this brings to mind for me: There are a lot of Reddit posts on the regular that describe an obviously terr

A fairly specific example of helpful antagonism that this brings to mind for me: There are a lot of Reddit posts on the regular that describe an obviously terrible and sometimes borderline abusive relationship, followed by a plea about how to improve their partner's behavior. The most helpful responses tend to be the purely antagonistic ones that reject the premise entirely and bluntly tell the person to leave the relationship in a way that a syncophantic LLM never would.

isaacfung 3y ago
It seems we can add antagonistic AI to correct many kinds of undesirable human behaviors Browser extension that monitors how much time I have wasted on social media/porn Browser extension that reminds me when I made a comment without reading a linked article(like right now) Imagine a social media platform with an AI that will spot the most stupid comment and shame it using logical arguments and factual evidences, it can even dig up the user comment history to expose their hypocrisy
- TeMPOraL 3y ago
  > Browser extension that reminds me when I made a comment without reading a linked article(like right now) There's no problem with this behavior, unless you're commenting on the contents of the article you never actually read. Many comments threads are only using the article, or even its headline, as a springboard to launch an independent conversation on the same or related topic; those threads are usually much more interesting and more valuable than the submission itself.
joe_the_user 3y ago
While antagonistic responses and interactions can be useful, I'm not sure one should delegate that specifically to an AI. The problem is that a system might not know the difference between helpful and destructive advice - "My partner makes me unhappy" - "Leave them" might be helpful but "I'm unhappy with life" - "go kill yourself" isn't.
xyzzy123 3y ago
You almost certainly should not make any irreversible life decisions based solely on what reddit tells you to do, because what reddit tells you to do will 100% depend on what sub you ask the question in.
- muzani 3y ago
  I love how the top answer to this comment is an antagonistic one.
  - TeMPOraL 3y ago
    Well, the top-level comment is describing what's basically an "XY problem problem" equivalent on relationship advice subreddits. (XY problem problem is when you ask a question about X that's somewhat unusual, and every reply assumes you're an idiot suffering from "XY problem", and therefore ignores your question and schools you on some random thing.)
    - lordgrenville 3y ago
      That sounds like what someone with an XY problem would say.
    - K0balt 3y ago
      I feel you, but you’re thinking about this the wrong way. You should delete your Facebook, hit the gym, and deep dive the enchiridion.
Keep3893 3y ago
I usually see "antagonism" on reddit as form of gaslighting. It tells victim they need to tolerate partners abusive behaviour, and it it even their fault.
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isaacfung 3y ago

It seems we can add antagonistic AI to correct many kinds of undesirable human behaviors Browser extension that monitors how much time I have wasted on social media/porn Browser extension that reminds me when I made a comment without reading a linked article(like right now) Imagine a social media platform with an AI that will spot the most stupid comment and shame it using logical arguments and factual evidences, it can even dig up the user comment history to expose their hypocrisy

TeMPOraL 3y ago
> Browser extension that reminds me when I made a comment without reading a linked article(like right now) There's no problem with this behavior, unless you're commenting on the contents of the article you never actually read. Many comments threads are only using the article, or even its headline, as a springboard to launch an independent conversation on the same or related topic; those threads are usually much more interesting and more valuable than the submission itself.

joe_the_user 3y ago

While antagonistic responses and interactions can be useful, I'm not sure one should delegate that specifically to an AI. The problem is that a system might not know the difference between helpful and destructive advice - "My partner makes me unhappy" - "Leave them" might be helpful but "I'm unhappy with life" - "go kill yourself" isn't.

xyzzy123 3y ago

You almost certainly should not make any irreversible life decisions based solely on what reddit tells you to do, because what reddit tells you to do will 100% depend on what sub you ask the question in.

muzani 3y ago
I love how the top answer to this comment is an antagonistic one.
- TeMPOraL 3y ago
  Well, the top-level comment is describing what's basically an "XY problem problem" equivalent on relationship advice subreddits. (XY problem problem is when you ask a question about X that's somewhat unusual, and every reply assumes you're an idiot suffering from "XY problem", and therefore ignores your question and schools you on some random thing.)
  - lordgrenville 3y ago
    That sounds like what someone with an XY problem would say.
  - K0balt 3y ago
    I feel you, but you’re thinking about this the wrong way. You should delete your Facebook, hit the gym, and deep dive the enchiridion.

Keep3893 3y ago

I usually see "antagonism" on reddit as form of gaslighting. It tells victim they need to tolerate partners abusive behaviour, and it it even their fault.

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