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You’re biasing yourself to what you already (probably looks like C). There is nothing more difficult about some paren except you didn’t learn it first.

harry8 3y ago
Nup. Not the language. See how long it takes you to set up a Common Lisp implementation from scratch. Eg steel bank. Better yet, watch a kid try it on for size. Land of Lisp isn’t all bad but they can’t limit themselves to just one! Brackets are beside the point.
- bsdpufferfish 3y ago
  apt install sbcl sbcl —script hello.lisp
  - harry8 3y ago
    Try it. Point someone at trying to learn programming at sbcl. What percentage do you think have any clue what you just wrote let alone run a debian based distro or even know what that is? Compare that experience to choosing python. Forget the actual language just all the overhead. It's not a close run thing no matter how angry common lispers get about it. This is my exact experience of common lisp. People aggressively pretend there's no problem other than other people are stupid and have broken minds because they didn't get functional early enough and so on. Land of Lisp at least tried, right? And did a vastly better job than anything else I've seen. Couldn't manage to do it all on sbcl though, huh? That's a shame, isn't it? Why do you think the best effort failed in something like that? https://nostarch.com/lisp.htm https://nostarch.com/lisp.htm
    - bsdpufferfish 3y ago
      I don't understand, is installing and running python easier than running an install command?
      - harry8 3y ago
        Oh come on. You mean installing with apt on debian based linux? Ok so compared to not having to do that. Both easy once you're proficient at debian, one easier. Now do mac. Now do windows. Installation is only step /one/ in smashing out your first ten exercises. Pretending something is easy because you want it to be does not make it so for others.
- buttercraft 3y ago
  Why would a professional judge the quality of their tools by the experience of children? If a 3 year old has trouble using a hammer, you wouldn't conclude that hammers are difficult to use.
  - harry8 3y ago
    This is a discussion of why common lisp is not particularly popular. I observe most professionals can't program in it (it's not popular). Then look at why. The very first hurdle: epic fail. Pretend it doesn't matter? On the other hand if you don't care that's perfectly reasonable and there's not much to talk about.

harry8 3y ago

Nup. Not the language. See how long it takes you to set up a Common Lisp implementation from scratch. Eg steel bank. Better yet, watch a kid try it on for size. Land of Lisp isn’t all bad but they can’t limit themselves to just one! Brackets are beside the point.

bsdpufferfish 3y ago
apt install sbcl sbcl —script hello.lisp
- harry8 3y ago
  Try it. Point someone at trying to learn programming at sbcl. What percentage do you think have any clue what you just wrote let alone run a debian based distro or even know what that is? Compare that experience to choosing python. Forget the actual language just all the overhead. It's not a close run thing no matter how angry common lispers get about it. This is my exact experience of common lisp. People aggressively pretend there's no problem other than other people are stupid and have broken minds because they didn't get functional early enough and so on. Land of Lisp at least tried, right? And did a vastly better job than anything else I've seen. Couldn't manage to do it all on sbcl though, huh? That's a shame, isn't it? Why do you think the best effort failed in something like that? https://nostarch.com/lisp.htm https://nostarch.com/lisp.htm
  - bsdpufferfish 3y ago
    I don't understand, is installing and running python easier than running an install command?
    - harry8 3y ago
      Oh come on. You mean installing with apt on debian based linux? Ok so compared to not having to do that. Both easy once you're proficient at debian, one easier. Now do mac. Now do windows. Installation is only step /one/ in smashing out your first ten exercises. Pretending something is easy because you want it to be does not make it so for others.
buttercraft 3y ago
Why would a professional judge the quality of their tools by the experience of children? If a 3 year old has trouble using a hammer, you wouldn't conclude that hammers are difficult to use.
- harry8 3y ago
  This is a discussion of why common lisp is not particularly popular. I observe most professionals can't program in it (it's not popular). Then look at why. The very first hurdle: epic fail. Pretend it doesn't matter? On the other hand if you don't care that's perfectly reasonable and there's not much to talk about.