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LineageOS 21 Released

104 points by timschumi 3y ago

KerbalNo15 3y ago
I love LineageOS!
mcsniff 3y ago
Congrats to LineageOS team! Always great to see the progress and work they do. I switched to GrapheneOS for my primary device, but keep LineageOS on a tablet and 2 development devices, highly recommended, even if your device is supported by the manufacturer, LineageOS is probably much better, more secure, and provides better privacy options.
- thelastparadise 3y ago
  why graphene
  - claudiawerner 3y ago
    I imagine the support for more recent Google Pixel phones specifically is better (existent).
  - mcsniff 3y ago
    The GrapheneOS projects takes security seriously -- unlike every other AOSP derivative, security is the primary focus of the project.
    - bennettnate5 3y ago
      > unlike every other AOSP derivative CalyxOS is another one primarily focused on security/privacy
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tmtvl 3y ago
Not seeing anything about them fixing the ethernet iface regex*, I'm guessing CDC tethering will still be broken. * <https://jordemort.dev/blog/why-android-cant-use-cdc-ethernet/ https://jordemort.dev/blog/why-android-cant-use-cdc-ethernet...>
- luca020400 3y ago
  What stops you from uploading a fix? Now that I know about the issue I can do it myself, but... Regardless let me tell you that: AOSP fixed it for Android V!
  - tmtvl 3y ago
    What stops me is that I'm afraid of testing it on my phone and breaking it.
- mcsniff 3y ago
  All of this navelgazing and yet no patch was sent in.
mod50ack 3y ago
Lineage is great. One thing I wish we had, though, is a repo (F-Droid?) where you could download individual Lineage apps for use on non-Lineage Android.
- Night_Thastus 3y ago
  I've never used Lineage, but this is part of my question. Can you use the ordinary app store to download apps as you can on a normal Android phone? Or do you need to do some shuffle of downloading them on a PC and transferring some kind of apk file to install it on the phone manually. Do most apps work 'out of the box', or are there incompatibilities?
  - deleted 3y ago
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  - foresto 3y ago
    Google Play works if present, as do apps installed from it. Some people prefer to exclude it for privacy reasons. I don't know if the official Lineage builds include it, as I am one such person, but it's available here: https://opengapps.org/ https://opengapps.org/
    - luuurker 3y ago
      LineageOS recommends "MindTheGapps": https://wiki.lineageos.org/gapps/ https://wiki.lineageos.org/gapps/ OpenGapps stopped being updated some time ago and doesn't support newer Android versions.
I_am_uncreative 3y ago
Man, and right after I built LineageOS 20 too.
lakomen 3y ago
Last time I tried it they did an April fools that pinned notifications without a way to remove them. Very unprofessional. Version upgrades were also a PITA. Not a fan.
- timschumi 3y ago
  > Version upgrades were also a PITA. Sadly, they have to be. We can't ship Google Apps due to licensing restrictions (and even if we could, a very vocal subset of users probably wouldn't like that), but not upgrading Google Apps (and/or select other addons/components, for that matter) during a major version bump breaks the installation beyond repair. It's unfortunate that this is the case, but there is no way around telling users to do major version upgrades manually instead of doing it all in-system.
  - patientzero 3y ago
    I've always found the requirement to install these things before reboots odd and it leaves me afraid to do an upgrade (I have no memory of what I did last time and apparently if I do it differently everything will be irrecoverably different?) I'd be happy if the process were always a full reset followed by choosing what to run until the next full reset.. And maybe it is (?) but I never understand what people are talking about in android land.
    - timschumi 3y ago
      > I've always found the requirement to install these things before reboots odd and it leaves me afraid to do an upgrade (I have no memory of what I did last time and apparently if I do it differently everything will be irrecoverably different?) The only thing that matters is "did you have Google Apps or not?". This fact can not be changed without doing a factory reset, or your OS will be terribly confused. It shouldn't matter _which_ flavor of a Google Apps package you installed (although the officially recommended one only has one flavor anyways), for this purpose they are freely interchangeable. I also haven't seen any other addon that has this particular destructive trait, so you should be fine as long as you pay attention to "Google Apps or no Google Apps?". > I'd be happy if the process were always a full reset followed by choosing what to run until the next full reset.. And maybe it is (?) but I never understand what people are talking about in android land. You are free to do that, and this is basically the fallback option in case anything related to Google Apps goes wrong while upgrading. It's just that most users don't want to reset their devices each time that a major update appears, so the instructions jump through hoops to accommodate them. Backups are (of course) always recommended, no matter the circumstances.
penguin_booze 3y ago
If the powers that be are reading: please add official support for Moto G5 plus! Moto G5 has support already.
- timschumi 3y ago
  These are two different devices.

104 points by timschumi 3y ago

I love LineageOS!

Congrats to LineageOS team! Always great to see the progress and work they do. I switched to GrapheneOS for my primary device, but keep LineageOS on a tablet and 2 development devices, highly recommended, even if your device is supported by the manufacturer, LineageOS is probably much better, more secure, and provides better privacy options.

thelastparadise 3y ago
why graphene
- claudiawerner 3y ago
  I imagine the support for more recent Google Pixel phones specifically is better (existent).
- mcsniff 3y ago
  The GrapheneOS projects takes security seriously -- unlike every other AOSP derivative, security is the primary focus of the project.
  - bennettnate5 3y ago
    > unlike every other AOSP derivative CalyxOS is another one primarily focused on security/privacy

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tmtvl 3y ago

Not seeing anything about them fixing the ethernet iface regex*, I'm guessing CDC tethering will still be broken. * <https://jordemort.dev/blog/why-android-cant-use-cdc-ethernet/ https://jordemort.dev/blog/why-android-cant-use-cdc-ethernet...>

luca020400 3y ago
What stops you from uploading a fix? Now that I know about the issue I can do it myself, but... Regardless let me tell you that: AOSP fixed it for Android V!
- tmtvl 3y ago
  What stops me is that I'm afraid of testing it on my phone and breaking it.
mcsniff 3y ago
All of this navelgazing and yet no patch was sent in.

mod50ack 3y ago

Lineage is great. One thing I wish we had, though, is a repo (F-Droid?) where you could download individual Lineage apps for use on non-Lineage Android.

Night_Thastus 3y ago
I've never used Lineage, but this is part of my question. Can you use the ordinary app store to download apps as you can on a normal Android phone? Or do you need to do some shuffle of downloading them on a PC and transferring some kind of apk file to install it on the phone manually. Do most apps work 'out of the box', or are there incompatibilities?
- deleted 3y ago
  [deleted]
- foresto 3y ago
  Google Play works if present, as do apps installed from it. Some people prefer to exclude it for privacy reasons. I don't know if the official Lineage builds include it, as I am one such person, but it's available here: https://opengapps.org/ https://opengapps.org/
  - luuurker 3y ago
    LineageOS recommends "MindTheGapps": https://wiki.lineageos.org/gapps/ https://wiki.lineageos.org/gapps/ OpenGapps stopped being updated some time ago and doesn't support newer Android versions.

I_am_uncreative 3y ago

Man, and right after I built LineageOS 20 too.

lakomen 3y ago

Last time I tried it they did an April fools that pinned notifications without a way to remove them. Very unprofessional. Version upgrades were also a PITA. Not a fan.

timschumi 3y ago
> Version upgrades were also a PITA. Sadly, they have to be. We can't ship Google Apps due to licensing restrictions (and even if we could, a very vocal subset of users probably wouldn't like that), but not upgrading Google Apps (and/or select other addons/components, for that matter) during a major version bump breaks the installation beyond repair. It's unfortunate that this is the case, but there is no way around telling users to do major version upgrades manually instead of doing it all in-system.
- patientzero 3y ago
  I've always found the requirement to install these things before reboots odd and it leaves me afraid to do an upgrade (I have no memory of what I did last time and apparently if I do it differently everything will be irrecoverably different?) I'd be happy if the process were always a full reset followed by choosing what to run until the next full reset.. And maybe it is (?) but I never understand what people are talking about in android land.
  - timschumi 3y ago
    > I've always found the requirement to install these things before reboots odd and it leaves me afraid to do an upgrade (I have no memory of what I did last time and apparently if I do it differently everything will be irrecoverably different?) The only thing that matters is "did you have Google Apps or not?". This fact can not be changed without doing a factory reset, or your OS will be terribly confused. It shouldn't matter _which_ flavor of a Google Apps package you installed (although the officially recommended one only has one flavor anyways), for this purpose they are freely interchangeable. I also haven't seen any other addon that has this particular destructive trait, so you should be fine as long as you pay attention to "Google Apps or no Google Apps?". > I'd be happy if the process were always a full reset followed by choosing what to run until the next full reset.. And maybe it is (?) but I never understand what people are talking about in android land. You are free to do that, and this is basically the fallback option in case anything related to Google Apps goes wrong while upgrading. It's just that most users don't want to reset their devices each time that a major update appears, so the instructions jump through hoops to accommodate them. Backups are (of course) always recommended, no matter the circumstances.

penguin_booze 3y ago

If the powers that be are reading: please add official support for Moto G5 plus! Moto G5 has support already.

timschumi 3y ago
These are two different devices.