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Developers could also do these processes. And they probably do, often. But they usually have their heads so far up their asses that they don't see how inscrutab

by vdaea 3y ago

Developers could also do these processes. And they probably do, often. But they usually have their heads so far up their asses that they don't see how inscrutable this onboarding process is even for very technical users. It's like when you use one of those Linux phones and your reaction all along is "ew". Do developers not notice how bad this is? No, they don't. Some of them haven't used a good UI ever. They can't fathom it could be better. They really think they are doing a good job. Why did Discord win? Oh, it must be dark patterns, regulatory capture, moat, etc. It can't possibly be because the UI makes sense!

rapsey 3y ago
The state of the project is completely typical of open source trying to do end user applications.
prmoustache 3y ago
> Why did Discord win? Oh, it must be dark patterns, regulatory capture, moat, etc. It can't possibly be because the UI makes sense! I don't know but the Discord UI doesn't makes much sense to me, this is a huge mess. Signing up might be better though with the caveat that I never had any problem signing up with Element (not Element X for which I have 0 experience).
master-lincoln 3y ago
Nowadays companies win because of better marketing and then network effect. The quality of the product does normally not play a big role for capturing a market
- TulliusCicero 3y ago
  Bullshit. Discord absolutely gained traction among gamers (and then other communities) due to being a good product that Just Worked.
mpldr 3y ago
> Developers could also do these processes. And they probably do, often. But they usually have their heads so far up their asses that they don't see how inscrutable this onboarding process is even for very technical users. I would argue that as the one developing a system (frontend or backend) you can not perform something like that. The reason being that you already know all the small little bits, tricks, and band-aids. The only way to get proper feedback, is by putting someone completely fresh in front of the system.

by vdaea 3y ago

rapsey 3y ago

The state of the project is completely typical of open source trying to do end user applications.

prmoustache 3y ago

> Why did Discord win? Oh, it must be dark patterns, regulatory capture, moat, etc. It can't possibly be because the UI makes sense! I don't know but the Discord UI doesn't makes much sense to me, this is a huge mess. Signing up might be better though with the caveat that I never had any problem signing up with Element (not Element X for which I have 0 experience).

master-lincoln 3y ago

Nowadays companies win because of better marketing and then network effect. The quality of the product does normally not play a big role for capturing a market

TulliusCicero 3y ago
Bullshit. Discord absolutely gained traction among gamers (and then other communities) due to being a good product that Just Worked.

mpldr 3y ago

> Developers could also do these processes. And they probably do, often. But they usually have their heads so far up their asses that they don't see how inscrutable this onboarding process is even for very technical users. I would argue that as the one developing a system (frontend or backend) you can not perform something like that. The reason being that you already know all the small little bits, tricks, and band-aids. The only way to get proper feedback, is by putting someone completely fresh in front of the system.