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"allowing military use" That would actually increase their standing in my eyes. Not too far from where I live, Russian bombing is destroying homes of people w
by inglor_cz 3y ago
"allowing military use"
That would actually increase their standing in my eyes.
Not too far from where I live, Russian bombing is destroying homes of people whose language is similar to mine and whose "fault" is that they don't want to submit to rule from Moscow, direct or indirect.
If OpenAI can somehow help stop that, I am all for it.
- WhrRTheBaboons 3y ago>If OpenAI can somehow help stop that, I am all for it. I got some bad news for you then.
- bayindirh 3y agoOn the other hand, Israel is using AI to generate their bombing targets and pound Gaza strip with bombs non-stop [0]. And, according to UN, Turkey has used AI powered, autonomous littering drones to hit military convoys in Libya [1]. Regardless of us vs. them, AI shouldn't be a part of warfare, IMHO. [0]: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/dec/01/the-gospel-how-israel-uses-ai-to-select-bombing-targets https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/dec/01/the-gospel-how... [1]: https://www.voanews.com/a/africa_possible-first-use-ai-armed-drones-triggers-alarm-bells/6206728.html https://www.voanews.com/a/africa_possible-first-use-ai-armed...
- dizhn 3y agoI would be very surprised if Turkey was capable of doing that. If they did, that's all Erdoğan would be talking about. Also it's a bit weird that the linked article's source is a Turkish name. (Economy and theology major too) I am not saying this is anything but it's definetely tingling my "something's up" senses.
- bayindirh 3y agoVoice of America generally employs country's nationals for their reporting. There are some other resources: - NPR: https://www.npr.org/2021/06/01/1002196245/a-u-n-report-suggests-libya-saw-the-first-battlefield-killing-by-an-autonomous-d - Lieber Institute: https://lieber.westpoint.edu/kargu-2-autonomous-attack-drone-legal-ethical/ - ICRC: https://casebook.icrc.org/case-study/libya-use-lethal-autonomous-weapon-systems - UN report itself (Search for Kargu): https://undocs.org/Home/Mobile?FinalSymbol=S%2F2021%2F229&Language=E&DeviceType=Desktop&LangRequested=False - Kargu itself: https://www.stm.com.tr/en/kargu-autonomous-tactical-multi-rotor-attack-uav From my experience, Turkish military doesn't like to talk about all the things they have.
- dizhn 3y agoThe major drone manufacturer is Erdoğan's son-in-law. He's being groomed as one of his possible sucessors on the throne. They looove to talk about those drones. I will check out the links. Thanks a lot.
- kj99 3y ago> AI shouldn't be a part of warfare, IMHO. Nor should nuclear weapons, guns, knives, or cudgels. But we don’t have a way to stop them being used.
- foolofat00k 3y agoThis is literally the only thing that matters in this debate. Everything else is useless hand-wringing from people who don't want to be associated with the negative externalities of their work. The second that this tech was developed it became literally impossible to stop this from happening. It was a totally foreseeable consequence, but the researchers involved didn't care because they wanted to be successful and figured they could just try to blame others for the consequences of their actions.
- qeternity 3y ago> the researchers involved didn't care because they wanted to be successful and figured they could just try to blame others for the consequences of their actions Such an absurdly reductive take. Or how about just like nuclear energy and knives, they are incredibly useful, society advancing tools that can also be used to cause harm. It's not as if AI can only be used for warfare. And like pretty much every technology, it ends up being used 99.9% for good, and 0.1% for evil.
- foolofat00k 3y agoI think you're missing the point. I don't think we should have prevented the development of this tech. It's just absurd to complain about things that we always knew would happen as though they're some sort of great surprise. If we cared about preventing LLMs from being used for violence, we would have poured more than a tiny fraction our resources into safety/alignment research. We did not. Ergo, we don't care, we just want people to think we care. I don't have any real issue with using LLMs for military purposes. It was always going to happen.
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- sambull 3y agoIf it ever happens again, they'll develop the lists in seconds from data collected from our social media, intercept. What took organizations warehouses and thousands of agents will be done in a matter of seconds.
- IncreasePosts 3y agoWhy not? Maybe AI is what is needed to finally tear Hamas out of Palestine root and branch. As long as humans are still in the loop vetting the potential targets, it doesn't seem particularly different from the IDF just hiring a bunch of analysts to produce the same targets.
- throwboatyface 3y agoThere is no "removing Hamas from Palestine". The only way to remove the desire of the Palestinian people for freedom is to remove the Palestinian people themselves. And that is what the IDF is trying to do.
- IncreasePosts 3y agoHamas isn't the only path to freedom for Palestinians. In fact, they seem to be the major impediment to it.
- lolc 3y agoIf we're going to be reductive, at least include the other main roadblock to a solution which is the current government of Israel.
- IncreasePosts 3y agoThat doesn't explain why deals weren't reached with the previous governments of Israel.
- lolc 3y agoSure it doesn't explain that. Would be nice if things were that easy wouldn't it?
- IncreasePosts 3y agoGenerally if a main roadblock is removed, you can get a little farther down the road.
- ronhav3 3y agoYep. AI is, and will be used militarily. These virtue signaling games are childish.
- berniedurfee 3y agoIt is indeed tragic that virtue is a childish trait among adults.
- inglor_cz 3y agoThat assumes that being a pacifist when living under the umbrella of the most powerful military in the world is, in fact, a virtue. I don't think so. In order to be virtuous, one should have some skin in the game. I would respect dedicated pacifists in Kyiv a lot more. I wouldn't agree with them, but at least they would be ready to face pretty stark consequences of their philosophical belief. Living in the Silicon Valley and proclaiming yourself virtuous pacifist comes at negligible personal cost.
- vonjuice 3y agoThat's kind of like saying that not being a murderer only has moral value if you're constantly under mortal threat yourself.
- inglor_cz 3y agoI don't really see the comparison. Not being a murderer isn't a virtue, it is just normal behavior for 99,9 per cent of the population.
- vonjuice 3y agoFirst of all no one declared themselves a virtuous pacifist. People don't participate in murder and they think others shouldn't either. People don't participate in wars (which are essentially large scale murder) and they think others shouldn't. Murder happens anyway. War happens anyway. Yet if someone says 'war bad' people jump and say 'virtue signaling', but no one does that when people say 'murder bad'. There's some really weird moral entanglement happening in the minds of people that are so eager to call out virtue signaling.
- stcroixx 3y agoAgreed. It's the most important and impactful use case. All else are a set of parlor tricks in comparison.
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