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I’m more scared of TLD owners either changing ownership of domaine and/or price gouging than either of those things - if your TLD decides to 10x the cost of you

I’m more scared of TLD owners either changing ownership of domaine and/or price gouging than either of those things - if your TLD decides to 10x the cost of your domain, or sell the domain to your competitor, what are you gonna do?

closewith 3y ago
Or just host an annual action, which would be the fairest way to determine the value of the domain. Still, TLD registries know that if they make domains unattractive enough, some other identifier will come along.
- hsbauauvhabzb 3y ago
  Annual auction favours whoever has more money, which is fairly anti competitive too. ‘Other identifiers’ only happen at scale. 1000x the cost of fortune 500’s, or a single tld.
- PeterisP 3y ago
  Kind of the whole point is that we don't want domain registrars to be able to extract "the value of the domain", quite the opposite, we could want to auction for the lowest bids for running the technical infrastructure to some appropriate standard, so that as much as possible of "the value of the domain" stays with people actually running services, not goes to someone as unearned rent of a namespace monopoly.
  - closewith 3y ago
    Well, the names obviously have value. Why would that value naturally rest with whoever registered it first? That's just another unearned monopoly.
    - PeterisP 3y ago
      Because a big part of that value comes only after - and only because - whoever registered the name invested into that brand, sometimes by continued business and reputation, sometimes by marketing. For example, the name ycombinator.com has some value on its own, but I think you won't contest that the vast majority of the current value of that name arose only because a popular community was ran on this domain name for decades, and if hackernews was instead run on scombinator.com or whatever, then the value of ycombinator.com would be just a fraction of what it currently is.
- Macha 3y ago
  It would only be fair if we assumed all people had an exact equal amount of resources and therefore if person A outbids person B, it's because it means more to person A than person B, rather than say person A having 100x the resources of person B. We also don't force auction land off every year, because the costs (both financial and social) of that churn and insecurity are way worse than the gains from the resources being allocated for maximum economic value.
throwawayqqq11 3y ago
Make an .onion mirror and educate the masses. There should be a way to abuse the tor network as a dns into the clear web.
- hsbauauvhabzb 3y ago
  Ah yes, grandma you should learn how to use tor so you can visit my e-commerce site through an obscure url that’s meaningless to you just be sure not to get scammed.
  - maxcoder4 3y ago
    Tor browser is not harder to use then Firefox or Chrome. And people don't type urls, they click on links.
    - CRConrad 3y ago
      I think I'm "people", and I type URLs.
  - throwawayqqq11 3y ago
    Tor has solved the centralized name service problem. Once it gets adopted up by browsers, your grandma only has to bookmark weird names.
- h0p3 3y ago
  Unironically, I agree to the first claim, and I think i2p merits even higher consideration. Worthy attempts to resolve Zooko's triangle are going to require us to have trust in some stack, and it's hard to decentralize that appropriately. Namecoin may be one of the few examples of a b-word worth considering here. Ultimately, however, if the workers are to own the means of productions, there is no substitute for using and owning keys (and if that means people have to rely upon those they know and trust to assist them in this, then so be it). I don't predict that convention will arise in general, but I do prescribe it.

closewith 3y ago

Or just host an annual action, which would be the fairest way to determine the value of the domain. Still, TLD registries know that if they make domains unattractive enough, some other identifier will come along.

hsbauauvhabzb 3y ago
Annual auction favours whoever has more money, which is fairly anti competitive too. ‘Other identifiers’ only happen at scale. 1000x the cost of fortune 500’s, or a single tld.
PeterisP 3y ago
Kind of the whole point is that we don't want domain registrars to be able to extract "the value of the domain", quite the opposite, we could want to auction for the lowest bids for running the technical infrastructure to some appropriate standard, so that as much as possible of "the value of the domain" stays with people actually running services, not goes to someone as unearned rent of a namespace monopoly.
- closewith 3y ago
  Well, the names obviously have value. Why would that value naturally rest with whoever registered it first? That's just another unearned monopoly.
  - PeterisP 3y ago
    Because a big part of that value comes only after - and only because - whoever registered the name invested into that brand, sometimes by continued business and reputation, sometimes by marketing. For example, the name ycombinator.com has some value on its own, but I think you won't contest that the vast majority of the current value of that name arose only because a popular community was ran on this domain name for decades, and if hackernews was instead run on scombinator.com or whatever, then the value of ycombinator.com would be just a fraction of what it currently is.
Macha 3y ago
It would only be fair if we assumed all people had an exact equal amount of resources and therefore if person A outbids person B, it's because it means more to person A than person B, rather than say person A having 100x the resources of person B. We also don't force auction land off every year, because the costs (both financial and social) of that churn and insecurity are way worse than the gains from the resources being allocated for maximum economic value.

throwawayqqq11 3y ago

Make an .onion mirror and educate the masses. There should be a way to abuse the tor network as a dns into the clear web.

hsbauauvhabzb 3y ago
Ah yes, grandma you should learn how to use tor so you can visit my e-commerce site through an obscure url that’s meaningless to you just be sure not to get scammed.
- maxcoder4 3y ago
  Tor browser is not harder to use then Firefox or Chrome. And people don't type urls, they click on links.
  - CRConrad 3y ago
    I think I'm "people", and I type URLs.
- throwawayqqq11 3y ago
  Tor has solved the centralized name service problem. Once it gets adopted up by browsers, your grandma only has to bookmark weird names.
h0p3 3y ago
Unironically, I agree to the first claim, and I think i2p merits even higher consideration. Worthy attempts to resolve Zooko's triangle are going to require us to have trust in some stack, and it's hard to decentralize that appropriately. Namecoin may be one of the few examples of a b-word worth considering here. Ultimately, however, if the workers are to own the means of productions, there is no substitute for using and owning keys (and if that means people have to rely upon those they know and trust to assist them in this, then so be it). I don't predict that convention will arise in general, but I do prescribe it.