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You can also passivate, powdercoat, etc. Not that you should need to do this after dropping that kinda cash on a car (refuse to call it a truck :P)

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somat 3y ago
It really is a terrible truck. And on that subject I was thinking on pickup truck beds today. None of them are really very good. A good bed would be made out of solid steel and be full of tie down points. That is, the way work trucks are made. As is stands they are made of car body steel and have almost no tie down points, and never one where you need it. As a postscript I have been watching the edison motors channel(they are developing an electric semi truck). and my first thought was "there is no way these guys are going to be able to make it in the industry, They make way too much sense" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=an6e2Lh9u58 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=an6e2Lh9u58
- kube-system 3y ago
  > A good bed would be made out of solid steel and be full of tie down points. That is, the way work trucks are made. There's a lot of different truck beds with different styles and materials for different purposes. Sheet metal truck beds are the most popular work truck bed by volume, but there are very serious industrial users that choose aluminum. e.g. https://cmtruckbeds.com/truck-beds/ https://cmtruckbeds.com/truck-beds/
- orwin 3y ago
  Disagree on the 'made of solid steel', my father is a woodworker/painter/decorator, aluminum is enough, he doesn't move gravel or stone. Fully gree with full of tie down points. Even in car trunks, you need more tie down points. Let me insure my stuff won't fly if I take a sharp turn, please!
- m463 3y ago
  > tie down points I've always thought the same thing. Maybe none of the CEOs ever take home groceries in their car. Or haul a motorcycle, bicycle or plates of food over to a potluck. Why don't trucks and cars have modular storage? multi-use storage? Why do we have to quickly drive home from the grocery store to put stuff in the fridge or freezer? We should have a cooler in the back of the vehicle for groceries so it doesn't become a race, and groceries don't have to be the last stop. and milk jugs, eggs, bread. Car manufacturers provide enough storage so that all of them end up thrown about the trunk on the drive home. Why not reconfigurable storage that holds them in place? They're too busy figuring out how to add some subscription entertainment system. Or optimize away physical controls into the touchscreen. Actually, why can't we have some sort of storage that lifts your groceries out of the car and wheels them into your kitchen?
  - D13Fd 3y ago
    The answer to all of your questions is that trucks are marketed largely to people who don't need trucks and will only subject them to light use. If the truck bed were solid steel it would cost more and wouldn't sell that much better. If there were more tie downs it wouldn't look as sleek and fewer people would buy it. Those are the people who don't use tie downs (or the bed, really) anyway. That high-end entertainment system is what sells trucks to that kind of customer.
    - JohnBooty 3y ago
      Serious question: won't any "real" pickup truck user put a plastic truck bed liner in the truck bed anyway? I mean if you're hauling heavy stuff around it's going to quickly beat a bare metal or painted metal surface to crap anyway right?
  - JohnBooty 3y ago
    I've always thought the same thing. Maybe none of the CEOs ever take home groceries in their car. Or haul a motorcycle, bicycle or plates of food over to a potluck. From the outside, seems like two huge factors. One it's because there's so much time crunch pressure on vehicle development. It costs megabucks and they can't just extend the development cycle on a new vehicle for months to allow for "dogfooding" (which may involve hauling literal dog food from the grocery store) Two it's because feedback cycles on vehicles are long enough to be effectively useless. For example, everybody hates the removal of physical controls from car interiors, but it doesn't hurt new car sales (because it's not obvious how crappy the controls are until you've spent some real time in the vehicle) so manufacturers don't really have an effective feedback loop guiding their decisions. So cars often have just the dumbest possible usability failures.

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somat 3y ago

It really is a terrible truck. And on that subject I was thinking on pickup truck beds today. None of them are really very good. A good bed would be made out of solid steel and be full of tie down points. That is, the way work trucks are made. As is stands they are made of car body steel and have almost no tie down points, and never one where you need it. As a postscript I have been watching the edison motors channel(they are developing an electric semi truck). and my first thought was "there is no way these guys are going to be able to make it in the industry, They make way too much sense" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=an6e2Lh9u58 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=an6e2Lh9u58

kube-system 3y ago
> A good bed would be made out of solid steel and be full of tie down points. That is, the way work trucks are made. There's a lot of different truck beds with different styles and materials for different purposes. Sheet metal truck beds are the most popular work truck bed by volume, but there are very serious industrial users that choose aluminum. e.g. https://cmtruckbeds.com/truck-beds/ https://cmtruckbeds.com/truck-beds/
orwin 3y ago
Disagree on the 'made of solid steel', my father is a woodworker/painter/decorator, aluminum is enough, he doesn't move gravel or stone. Fully gree with full of tie down points. Even in car trunks, you need more tie down points. Let me insure my stuff won't fly if I take a sharp turn, please!
m463 3y ago
> tie down points I've always thought the same thing. Maybe none of the CEOs ever take home groceries in their car. Or haul a motorcycle, bicycle or plates of food over to a potluck. Why don't trucks and cars have modular storage? multi-use storage? Why do we have to quickly drive home from the grocery store to put stuff in the fridge or freezer? We should have a cooler in the back of the vehicle for groceries so it doesn't become a race, and groceries don't have to be the last stop. and milk jugs, eggs, bread. Car manufacturers provide enough storage so that all of them end up thrown about the trunk on the drive home. Why not reconfigurable storage that holds them in place? They're too busy figuring out how to add some subscription entertainment system. Or optimize away physical controls into the touchscreen. Actually, why can't we have some sort of storage that lifts your groceries out of the car and wheels them into your kitchen?
- D13Fd 3y ago
  The answer to all of your questions is that trucks are marketed largely to people who don't need trucks and will only subject them to light use. If the truck bed were solid steel it would cost more and wouldn't sell that much better. If there were more tie downs it wouldn't look as sleek and fewer people would buy it. Those are the people who don't use tie downs (or the bed, really) anyway. That high-end entertainment system is what sells trucks to that kind of customer.
  - JohnBooty 3y ago
    Serious question: won't any "real" pickup truck user put a plastic truck bed liner in the truck bed anyway? I mean if you're hauling heavy stuff around it's going to quickly beat a bare metal or painted metal surface to crap anyway right?
- JohnBooty 3y ago
  I've always thought the same thing. Maybe none of the CEOs ever take home groceries in their car. Or haul a motorcycle, bicycle or plates of food over to a potluck. From the outside, seems like two huge factors. One it's because there's so much time crunch pressure on vehicle development. It costs megabucks and they can't just extend the development cycle on a new vehicle for months to allow for "dogfooding" (which may involve hauling literal dog food from the grocery store) Two it's because feedback cycles on vehicles are long enough to be effectively useless. For example, everybody hates the removal of physical controls from car interiors, but it doesn't hurt new car sales (because it's not obvious how crappy the controls are until you've spent some real time in the vehicle) so manufacturers don't really have an effective feedback loop guiding their decisions. So cars often have just the dumbest possible usability failures.