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If any automaker can make a car that meets these criteria, I will buy one immediately: * it is available, new, at my local dealer, for <=$40k * it will enable

If any automaker can make a car that meets these criteria, I will buy one immediately: * it is available, new, at my local dealer, for <=$40k * it will enable me to travel to a destination 1.5 hr away, and return, without stopping to charge * it has a reliable fast-charging network * doesn't stream video of me to someone else's computer I don't really think I'm asking for much.

idiotsecant 3y ago
Which one of those does this not meet? The available inventory?
- bryanlarsen 3y ago
  And it will never be inventory, base models are never stocked. With the 1LT at $35K and the 2LT at $43K it seems clear that the $35K is just a teaser price and there will be lots of obstacles thrown up if you actually want the 1LT.
- ggreer 3y ago
  I guess Tesla doesn't have dealerships, so technically it excludes the Model 3 (which does meet all other criteria). Edit: He stealth-edited "doesn't stream video of me to someone else's computer" into the list, so I think the point of the comment is just, "I want an EV that's as good as a Tesla but isn't a Tesla."
  - lIl-IIIl 3y ago
    It might fail his "doesn't stream video of me to someone else's computer" criteria.
    - NotSammyHagar 3y ago
      cover the camera in the cabin, it's not necessary unless using stupid fsd.
- kube-system 3y ago
  It's not available, probably won't be on a lot at my local dealer when it is, and if it is, it'll probably be marked up above sticker and only in higher trims. And it comes with a CCS socket on it, which will plug right into electrify america's junk or it needs some adapter to plug into Tesla's network. I'm not holding my breath.
ajross 3y ago
A Model 3 literally does all of that, except for the bit about wanting to get it at a "dealer", which I suspect you included precisely to avoid buying the Tesla. So, I guess you'll have to wait. Or you could get a car delivered to your driveway for you like the rest of us urchins. But maybe that's just a bridge too far.
- kube-system 3y ago
  I ninja-edited in a requirement that I forgot: doesn't stream video of me to someone else's computer. The Model 3 sort of meets the above but the phone-home connectivity (and poor after-sales support) are deal breakers for me.
  - ajross 3y ago
    Come on. If it was a deal-breaker, you wouldn't have forgotten it. Your criteria is simply "no Teslas". Which is fine, if that's the case. I'm not going to tell you what to buy. But trying to construct technical arguments around a brand decision just leads you to silly places like this one.
    - AnthonyMouse 3y ago
      There probably is a legitimate argument in the nature of "no cars in the Tesla style", i.e. it comes with a big touch screen that runs everything and you don't control it. There is no technical reason someone can't make an EV with mechanical HVAC controls and a navigation/audio system which is generic, independent of any other function of the car and feasibly replaced by a third party system if you don't care for it.
      - mullingitover 3y ago
        If Toyota made a pure EV version of a Camry they'd sell like hotcakes. I think Tesla has nearly tapped out the market for cars that cut corners drastically on usability.
  - 3y ago
NotSammyHagar 3y ago
But a Tesla model 3 and cover the camera in the car. That's only used if you are foolish enough to pay and use FSD which almost no one does buy it now. 1.5 hours each way is 3 hours of driving, at 70 miles an hour that is 210 miles, add in 50 mile buffer and you are there. But a far better deal is buy a used tesla model 3 with more range, used, and 4 years of battery warranty (to 120k miles) and 4 more years of drive train warranty, for well under 30. This is why tesla model y was the best selling sedan in the entire world last year, taking it away from Toyota, an amazing thing really.
- kube-system 3y ago
  It's not available locally, and not actually available under $40k. If I were buying today, I'd get a Prius Prime. It is available locally starting at $34,100, has enough range for me to be in EV for anything but a road-trip, and has a good network for parts and service.
  - JojoFatsani 3y ago
    Check the Tesla inventory page. Plenty of lightly used 3’s and Y’s available at steep discounts. The new Prius is by all accounts a great car. However I would put good money on it being way harder to get a Prius than a Tesla at this moment. Toyota hybrids, PHEV especially, are near unobtanium.
samsolomon 3y ago
A Prius Prime? Or for a little more a RAV4 Prime? Edit: Never mind I see that’s something you’re already considering!
peteradio 3y ago
The devil appears and offers a car with a 3 hr range but it only goes 20 mph. Should been more careful.

idiotsecant 3y ago

Which one of those does this not meet? The available inventory?

bryanlarsen 3y ago
And it will never be inventory, base models are never stocked. With the 1LT at $35K and the 2LT at $43K it seems clear that the $35K is just a teaser price and there will be lots of obstacles thrown up if you actually want the 1LT.
ggreer 3y ago
I guess Tesla doesn't have dealerships, so technically it excludes the Model 3 (which does meet all other criteria). Edit: He stealth-edited "doesn't stream video of me to someone else's computer" into the list, so I think the point of the comment is just, "I want an EV that's as good as a Tesla but isn't a Tesla."
- lIl-IIIl 3y ago
  It might fail his "doesn't stream video of me to someone else's computer" criteria.
  - NotSammyHagar 3y ago
    cover the camera in the cabin, it's not necessary unless using stupid fsd.
kube-system 3y ago
It's not available, probably won't be on a lot at my local dealer when it is, and if it is, it'll probably be marked up above sticker and only in higher trims. And it comes with a CCS socket on it, which will plug right into electrify america's junk or it needs some adapter to plug into Tesla's network. I'm not holding my breath.

ajross 3y ago

A Model 3 literally does all of that, except for the bit about wanting to get it at a "dealer", which I suspect you included precisely to avoid buying the Tesla. So, I guess you'll have to wait. Or you could get a car delivered to your driveway for you like the rest of us urchins. But maybe that's just a bridge too far.

kube-system 3y ago
I ninja-edited in a requirement that I forgot: doesn't stream video of me to someone else's computer. The Model 3 sort of meets the above but the phone-home connectivity (and poor after-sales support) are deal breakers for me.
- ajross 3y ago
  Come on. If it was a deal-breaker, you wouldn't have forgotten it. Your criteria is simply "no Teslas". Which is fine, if that's the case. I'm not going to tell you what to buy. But trying to construct technical arguments around a brand decision just leads you to silly places like this one.
  - AnthonyMouse 3y ago
    There probably is a legitimate argument in the nature of "no cars in the Tesla style", i.e. it comes with a big touch screen that runs everything and you don't control it. There is no technical reason someone can't make an EV with mechanical HVAC controls and a navigation/audio system which is generic, independent of any other function of the car and feasibly replaced by a third party system if you don't care for it.
    - mullingitover 3y ago
      If Toyota made a pure EV version of a Camry they'd sell like hotcakes. I think Tesla has nearly tapped out the market for cars that cut corners drastically on usability.
- 3y ago

NotSammyHagar 3y ago

But a Tesla model 3 and cover the camera in the car. That's only used if you are foolish enough to pay and use FSD which almost no one does buy it now. 1.5 hours each way is 3 hours of driving, at 70 miles an hour that is 210 miles, add in 50 mile buffer and you are there. But a far better deal is buy a used tesla model 3 with more range, used, and 4 years of battery warranty (to 120k miles) and 4 more years of drive train warranty, for well under 30. This is why tesla model y was the best selling sedan in the entire world last year, taking it away from Toyota, an amazing thing really.

kube-system 3y ago
It's not available locally, and not actually available under $40k. If I were buying today, I'd get a Prius Prime. It is available locally starting at $34,100, has enough range for me to be in EV for anything but a road-trip, and has a good network for parts and service.
- JojoFatsani 3y ago
  Check the Tesla inventory page. Plenty of lightly used 3’s and Y’s available at steep discounts. The new Prius is by all accounts a great car. However I would put good money on it being way harder to get a Prius than a Tesla at this moment. Toyota hybrids, PHEV especially, are near unobtanium.

samsolomon 3y ago

A Prius Prime? Or for a little more a RAV4 Prime? Edit: Never mind I see that’s something you’re already considering!

peteradio 3y ago

The devil appears and offers a car with a 3 hr range but it only goes 20 mph. Should been more careful.